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Jeeps are the reason I've been driving Toyotas for the last 10 years. After driving 4 Grand Cherokees since 1990 I've learned a thing or two about Jeep quality - never again. 😉

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The jeep reliability comment is funny because I bought the Rav thinking it would be dead reliable. Unfortunately Toyota has it's head up its a#* and is just floating by on its name now. The domestic vehicles have greatly improved these days. Oh and jeep has actual leather vs Toyota cheap pleather( which I didn't mind) however when you purchase an upscale version it should be a tell when the company puts vinyl in instead. The jeep also has suspension that functions when going over bumps.
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I think you are right in that reliability is a given for most cars in the first few years of service. Even I bought extended warranty on our 2016 RAV4 Hybrid.

Heard that that Pentastar engine is rated really well and quite reliable. Enjoy your vehicle with real 4WD.
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The pentastar is actually a nice smooth engine. I must give the Rav credit in that Toyota awd functions very well. It always surprised me how well it performed in snow and ice. We have not had the opportunity to try the jeep in the snow and ice yet but it also has a very computerized 4wd system with multiple settings. If the Rav had better underside protection it could be a great little back country camping and fishing rig (within reason of course)
I in no way mean to slam any bodies Rav we just unfortunately had zero luck with ours. I would be interested to know if the revised 16 Rav addresses some of our issues like ride quality and shifting in cruise control.
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The pentastar is actually a nice smooth engine. I must give the Rav credit in that Toyota awd functions very well. It always surprised me how well it performed in snow and ice. We have not had the opportunity to try the jeep in the snow and ice yet but it also has a very computerized 4wd system with multiple settings. If the Rav had better underside protection it could be a great little back country camping and fishing rig (within reason of course)

I in no way mean to slam any bodies Rav we just unfortunately had zero luck with ours. I would be interested to know if the revised 16 Rav addresses some of our issues like ride quality and shifting in cruise control.

I for one never felt that you were slamming any individuals RAV, but there are pros and cons for every vehicle out there. 👍


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The pentastar is actually a nice smooth engine. I must give the Rav credit in that Toyota awd functions very well. It always surprised me how well it performed in snow and ice. We have not had the opportunity to try the jeep in the snow and ice yet but it also has a very computerized 4wd system with multiple settings. If the Rav had better underside protection it could be a great little back country camping and fishing rig (within reason of course)
I in no way mean to slam any bodies Rav we just unfortunately had zero luck with ours. I would be interested to know if the revised 16 Rav addresses some of our issues like ride quality and shifting in cruise control.
We picked up a 2016 RAV4 Hybrid and although Toyota says the suspension was tweaked, ride is a little harsh for rear passengers when going over uneven surfaces (slightly depressed sewer covers, potholes).

Our vehicle has the e-CVT transmission so I think it's a lot smoother with it's virtual (I am not sure) shifting.

We never had the coolant smell inside the cabin like you had described.

We bought the hybrid because outside Alberta (I live in Toronto), gasoline prices are expensive in Canada -- now a little over $3/gallon and because of the general positive (of course slightly biased) feedback I've been reading about the 2013-2015 models back late last year. We tend to keep our cars until they become to expensive to maintain, so far this hasn't happened with an 02 Honda Civic and 11 Honda Accord. I skipped Honda because of potential CVT vibration issues and I don't like the current CRV's exterior design.
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The jeep reliability comment is funny because I bought the Rav thinking it would be dead reliable. Unfortunately Toyota has it's head up its a#* and is just floating by on its name now. The domestic vehicles have greatly improved these days. Oh and jeep has actual leather vs Toyota cheap pleather( which I didn't mind) however when you purchase an upscale version it should be a tell when the company puts vinyl in instead. The jeep also has suspension that functions when going over bumps.
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The pentastar is actually a nice smooth engine. I must give the Rav credit in that Toyota awd functions very well. It always surprised me how well it performed in snow and ice. We have not had the opportunity to try the jeep in the snow and ice yet but it also has a very computerized 4wd system with multiple settings. If the Rav had better underside protection it could be a great little back country camping and fishing rig (within reason of course)
I in no way mean to slam any bodies Rav we just unfortunately had zero luck with ours. I would be interested to know if the revised 16 Rav addresses some of our issues like ride quality and shifting in cruise control.
Out of curiosity, what reliability issues did you have with your Rav4?

Toyota makes no qualms about SofTex or what it is, so I'm not sure what you are referring to above.

If you didn't like the ride quality, I'm not sure why you thought it would change after test driving and decided to buy it. The ride quality is rough and needs improvement - for sure, but I knew that after I test drove it and still decided to buy.

Not sure what type of vehicle you came from previous to the Rav4, but the over-eager shifting in cruise control is because we are getting transmissions with more gears than we had before, so transmissions shift more often to stay at your pre-selected speed because the ratios are narrower. When vehicles had 4 and 5 speed automatics, the gear ratios were longer so the vehicle shifted in and out of gear less often to stay at speed. With 6+ speed transmissions, the gears are shorter and require more shifting to stay at one speed if the grade of the road changes. I will give you the fact that sometimes the shifts can be abrupt, but this car only has 176lb-ft of torque, so if you combine that with the 6 speed automatic, you're looking at a powertrain that stays rather busy shifting gears on a steep grade.

Coolant smell? Not sure... I feel like some of the resins, coatings and materials used inside the Rav4 have a stronger smell, but I personally don't hate it. My car has 60k on it and still "smells new" for that reason, IMO.

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The 6spd in our Rav worked perfectly fine until you were on the highway and using cruise control. If cruise was engaged and something caused a downshift from 6-5-4 as example it would just hang in the lower gear and not ever shift back up. Flat ground, down hill it would still just hang in that gear until I pressed the gas pedal, hit acc on cruise, hit dec on cruise or turned off cruise. Toyota denied and kept saying nothing found. If you never used cruise it worked perfectly so that is a Toyota software issue but if they won't admit it they won't fix it. Side note: I am very familiar with 6spd transmissions and more frequent shifting.

The rough ride I should have caught on the test drive but I chalked it up to a sporty/firm ride. We did test drive a xle and then ordered a limited so possible the limited's lower profile tires magnifies this. Should have noticed ride more but didn't so my bad, however harshness gets more aggravating over time.

No tire sensors on Canadian models. Does not say this anywhere when purchasing and my base model work truck has this feature. Not normally a issue but this was my wife's car and we did not have a flat in 10 years but got 2 on this and wrecked 1 tire due to driving on it. ( just a tick off and didn't help my view towards it)

Antifreeze smell constantly outside and not by the overflow bottle. Overflow bottle level dropped and Toyota said "we can smell it but we can't see anything so just keep an eye on it". Does not build confidence in reliability to take my family on the highway somewhere.

Engine rattling on start up. That started around 10000km and on forums can be an issue with the 2.4 and needed phasers or something swapped. Warranty or not this was my last straw because our particular dealer was not very good and I wasn't going to waste my time leaving it sit there just to be told "could not duplicate"

Remote start that was installed by our dealer would crank the motor 2-3 times before actually starting it. (This happened while awaiting the new jeep so I never took to dealer)

Extremely loud road noise on the highway. Also not noticed during test drive.

Also if you looked at it sideways it would dent or the windshield would crack. Sound funny but I swear everything dented this thing and I received large windshield chips from small stones.

Some of our issues could have been fixed with better dealer support. I have had other new vehicles in the past and sometimes you just get a dud. I had a brand new dodge with the mighty 5.9 Cummins and that was the biggest lemon ever and Canada does not have the "buy back" option. Currently my gas Ford truck is 3 years old and only gets used for hauling/towing and has only needed oil changes. This Ford isn't perfect but I know I can take it anywhere presuming I can afford to keep gas in it. So far our new jeep is really nice and we're happy but only time will tell how well it holds up.

Sorry for the long post but the question was asked.
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Now I know what those chinky eyed Cherokee's are called.
I didn't know what the Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk looked like, so I had to do a Google search to see what warranted such an expression.

"...chinky eyed...?" That sounds pretty much like a racial slur to me. I'm Asian-American and have lived in the United States for my entire life -- except for the first six months of my life, where I lived in Japan, the land of my birth, and a few overseas tours of duty in the service of this country -- and have been called chink and nip and gook and a few other choice names (including one of my all-time favorites, "baby killer," when I joined the Army in 1971 and hadn't even gotten out of Basic Training yet, let alone gone to Vietnam and killed any babies!). But it's been awhile since I've heard such an expression as "chink."

All things considered in this day and age -- and especially considering all of the slurs and negative comments and rantings and ravings by one of our presidential candidates -- I guess I wouldn't be all that surprised by such a term from a citizen of the United States, but I thought Canadians were somewhat more enlightened (not, I guess, that I have a whole lot of experience with Canadians!).

Ah well...such is the world in which we live.....
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