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I test drove a I-4 and found it not super under powered, but pretty boring handling & loud engine. I drove a V6 sport and really liked it, not so much for the additional power, but it was more quite and handled way better.

The dealer is now looking for an SAP sport for me. I don't want the side opening rear. He said there have been big improvements in run flat tires, such as replacement cost and longevity. Was he BSing me, or is that true?

Does the sport really handle that much better, or was I imagining it?
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SAP Sport has side opening rear door.

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I belive that was covered in another thread. I think 8.9 seconds was what Toyota has been announcing for the 2013 model, which is apparently 1.3 seconds better than the older equivalent 4-banger with 4-speed transmission.

So a roughly 13 percent improvement, which is quite significant.

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I meant sport trim with sport appearence package. I thought SAP was available only on the sport trim (not limited)...
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I belive that was covered in another thread. I think 8.9 seconds was what Toyota has been announcing for the 2013 model, which is apparently 1.3 seconds better than the older equivalent 4-banger with 4-speed transmission.

So a roughly 13 percent improvement, which is quite significant.
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2008 Toyota RAV4 vs. Honda CR-V, Nissan Rogue, Ford Escape, and Five More Compact SUVs Comparison Tests - Page 10 - Car and Driver

if you download the test result sheets in the right-hand column, you'll see the 0 to 60 time was 8.8 seconds. That was for the 2008 model, I believe they raise the output in succeeding years.
1.3 seconds better simply does not compute. If it can do 0 to 60 in 8.4 seconds and 16.5 seconds in the quarter mile, to me that is sufficient.
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You're right it's 8.8 sec. to 60. I just got rid of my old car that was clocked around 10 sec. and my Rav definitely feels a bit faster.
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I test drove a I-4 and found it not super under powered, but pretty boring handling & loud engine. I drove a V6 sport and really liked it, not so much for the additional power, but it was more quite and handled way better.

The dealer is now looking for an SAP sport for me. I don't want the side opening rear. He said there have been big improvements in run flat tires, such as replacement cost and longevity. Was he BSing me, or is that true?

Does the sport really handle that much better, or was I imagining it?
It does handle much better. As for the rft, I don't recommend thembecause they ate noise and make the ride bumpy.

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I belive that was covered in another thread. I think 8.9 seconds was what Toyota has been announcing for the 2013 model, which is apparently 1.3 seconds better than the older equivalent 4-banger with 4-speed transmission.

So a roughly 13 percent improvement, which is quite significant.
Correction: which the reviewer said Toyota says is 1.3 seconds better than the older equivalent 4-banger with 4-speed transmission.

That info was in these articles (among others, I'd guess):

2013 RAV4 gets Toyota back into crossover war
> The powertrain is smooth, though not overly peppy. A "sport" mode button tightens the steering and holds the gears longer. Toyota says the new RAV4 accelerates from 0 to 60 mph in 8.9 seconds, 1.3 seconds faster than the 2012.


2013 RAV4 « High Country Toyota
> The powertrain is smooth, and the RAV4′s “sport” mode button tightens the steering and holds the gears longer. The new RAV4 goes from 0 to 60 mph in 8.9 seconds, which is 1.3 seconds faster than the 2012.


Advantage Toyota: Toyota fights back in crossover wars with new RAV4

> A "sport" mode button tightens the steering and holds the gears longer, but the notion of making a RAV4 [ed. "fast"] seems to make as much sense as making a Ferrari practical. Toyota says the new RAV4 bolts from zero to 60 in 8.9 seconds, 1.3 seconds faster than the present version. The six-cylinder engine option has been banished. Still want it? Toyota says buy the larger Highlander SUV instead.

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Potential questions include:

1. Are the test conditions identical for the 2013 and 2012 runs? (Same track/altitude, same day/weather, same driver)
2. Is that only in "Sport" mode on the 2013, or in "Normal" mode? (I'd guess "Sport" mode)


Blue text -- clearly most of these "reviews" are repeating verbatim what Toyota's marketing has produced. Lazy writers!

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if you download the test result sheets in the right-hand column, you'll see the 0 to 60 time was 8.8 seconds.
Can we rely on this test? The European SWB 177HP diesel manual transmission takes 9.3 seconds for 0-62 (=100km/h). To knock 0.5 seconds off for getting to 2 miles per hour less in a heavier car with a 4 speed auto seems unlikely. Gear ratios might be a factor.

When you google, you find varying reports but the 8.8 figure (6.3 for V6) seems to be persistent. Edmunds seems to have measured 8.9 for the 2011 2.5 FWD. I guess journalists would do well to check their facts. Unless, in real life the 2013 RAV4 does 0-60 in 7.8 seconds and Toyota turn out to be pessimists.

Just looked up the russian toyota rav4 specs and the LWB with automatic transmission but still the 2.4 i4 engine (170HP) should manage 0-100km/h (0-62mph) in 10.6 seconds. So Toyota claim >10secs and in reality it does it in 8.8/8.9 secs?
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