Originally Posted by windman35
The idea that the 2013 model RAV is really different from previous RAVs, that with it Toyota has abandoned one constituency (the rugged 4-wheelin dude) in favor of another (soccer moms) is hilarious. As far as our RAVs are concerned, most of us are soccer moms.
If my 2011 4 cyl. 4-wd had come with a 5 speed, I doubt I'd be looking at something else. But since it's only a 4 speed, and its mpg is not that good, I'm going to move up to the new model 6 speed RAV as soon as the bugs are out of it. And I may even go with the 2-wd this time.
I don't think anybody ever claimed the RAV4 was a rock crawler. It's been a "soft roader," not an "off roader." But at least where I am when you get many inches of snow at a time, the loss in ground clearance in the 4.4 CAN make a significant difference. It could readily be the difference between getting stuck and being able to move (or even leave).
Then there's the inability of the 4.4 RAV4 to tow anything heavier than...a shopping cart. Ok, that's an exaggeration, but towing can be useful for many people, other than just rock crawlers.
If you're on a road trip and get a flat tire, having an easy to access full sized spare that can go thousands of miles at any speed can be quite helpful, especially if you're in the middle of nowhere with a load of cargo (e.g. luggage) in the back when it happens. In the 4.4 you have to unload your cargo just to get to the "training wheel" spare tire. Hope for your cargo's sake that it isn't raining. And hope that you don't have to go very far, or very fast. And hope that you have room to put the full sized
, dirty flat tire in right next to your cargo. In the 4.3 you can put the flat tire back on the swing gate. Easy peasy.
The loss of the underfloor storage bins is also a major bummer. I keep jumper cables and a "winter kit" (blankets, gloves, etc.) and a first aid kit plus the tow hitch ball mount and ball when not in use in there, without the loss of any regular cargo space. Plus they don't slide around.
Make no mistake about it: Some really
useful and functional features for regular people (other than just soccer moms) have been lost in the 4.4 re"design." Thankfully, at least they added French stitching to the dash and plastic-covered seats.
But I really do hope you enjoy your future Toyota CR-W. I'm sure you'll have a great time taking it back and forth to the grocery store.
Originally Posted by Meander
I wonder if you'll order new Rav with shopping mall convenience package.
Don't forget the optional cosmetics holders and tampon dispenser.