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Please let us know. Look on the invoice and see if they installed Oil Hose Kit 04009-33131. This 2008 Highlander owner had that kit installed and the new and improved hose failed after about 2 years:

Warning! 2008 highlander oil leak - Toyota Nation Forum : Toyota Car and Truck Forums

Oil Hose Kit 04009-33131. What a letdown.

I will call Monday morning and ask them why they installed the cheaper hose, I'm pretty sure the answer will be comical at best.

I will then go ahead and buy the all metal tubing that actually solves the issue of hose leakage. There are always these mitigating factors when dealerships work on cars, this one is weird considering they gave me a loaner car, they did 5 other TSB items, and they paid the tow charge. I mean how much more was the correct part? $3.00? The actual cost of this problem is minimum $500 and could of easily headed into several thousands of dollars. They decided they had to save save THREE bucks. That engine could, should be legendary. That is what manufacterers of cars seek to impress upon buyers, legandary. Not "oops". Almost!

Can any of you explain that insanity? Are they cheap or stupid? This is why I avoid the dealership service departments.

I will spend the $30.00 or so and replace this half measure part myself. Thanks for pointing out to me that part number. I will post the answer they give me when I ask the service department Why? Why did you give me another inferior part for such an awesome engine?

Really it doesn't make any sense.
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where is the TSB that includes camrys?? I only found the TSB that includes 05-06 avalon and rav4s... either case entering the VIN on toyo owners website should tell me whether or not the recall is in effect...
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Does the 2012 V6 have this possible hose problem or have they fixed it with a steel line?
Thanks to all for the input on this problem.
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Does the 2012 V6 have this possible hose problem or have they fixed it with a steel line?
Thanks to all for the input on this problem.
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Fixed... I think it was something like May (or some other time in the spring) of 2009 that production switched to using the all-metal line. The actual date is in the big thread somewhere.

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Is there a step by step guide on how to replace this part?
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Is there a step by step guide on how to replace this part?
start around #128

Quality problem with V6 engine in RAV4, Camry, Lexus... [oil hose failing]
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Had the same issue with my 2007 Camry XLE with 50k miles. The rubber oil line broke (see picture) about 2 blocks from my home. Oil was all over the engine, and the garage. Had it towed to the dealer and they insisted on replacing it with the same rubber piece. Most of that line was metal but went into about a 2 inch piece of rubber. Made no sense not to replace it with the all metal. This was in 8/09 and after having the "famous" shift issue with the transmission along with many other issues I decided to trade the Camry in for the 2011 RAV4 for which I am very pleased.
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Stumbling on this thread and seeing Bob's picture on post 47 got me to open the hood and check my 2006 RAV4 V6 which had the VVT hose "upgrade" done in 2010. Sure enough rubber hose!

After mclass555's sour experience at his dealer (and with me initially) with his 2015 I kinda wanted to stop in at my dealer in Westerly RI for a comparison anyway, so two days ago I took in the underhood forum pictures of both the rubber-center and all metal lines installed on V6s.

The building is only a few years old and has what seems to be the norm these days, and drive-in service bay with 3-4 service writer desks between the entrance and the customer lounge with flat-screen TV (would any self respecting dealer have a boob tube?) a coffee, tea etc. dispenser and sink counter, and comfy looking couches. They weren't busy - one lady in the lounge and a couple customers talking to the other writers.

After some discussion with the service writer as to why my '06 hadn't gotten the metal line in 2010 he asked, "Are you having any problems?" I said, "No but when you do you lose your oil and blow your engine, something I don't want to do!" Then after reading some stuff on the screen when I said the TSB had be extended to 2021, he went back the the parts dept and showed me a piece of rubber hose, saying, "You may have found your pictures on a forum but this is official from Toyota." I said it didn't make sense and left.

Went back yesterday with Junebug's old & new picture from post 34.

http://www.rav4world.com/mods/photos/4.3/oil_pipes2.jpg

Wrote the 15772-31030 part number on it under the metal pipe and told the same writer, "This is what I want." He sent me back to the parts dept where the same guy who'd produced the rubber hose the day before asked, "What year is your car?" I'd already looked the metal pipe up online for a price comparison and under a "Does it fit your vehicle?" link found it doesn't fit an '06, so I said, "If I say '06 you'll say it doesn't fit, so I'll say '08." Saying the part number was not legit for my '06 he said it was $35.69 and he could order it but never had before. I exclaimed, "Of course not, they NEVER break!" Knowing I'd seen it online for half that price I declined ordering one and went to wait for my wife to pick me up. That's when it got interesting.

While waiting I ran into a guy who must be the service manager. I was very impressed with him the last time I was in for the rear suspension re-re-recall and told him so again. He thanked me and asked what brought me in this time. Showed him the side by side picture and said I was wondering why the all-metal pipe wasn't being used to replace the hosed (pun intended ) one. He agreed that made sense especially since with not having to remove and replace the hose between removing and reinstalling the pipe, there'd be less labor cost involved.

He guessed the answer was probably that there are two different suppliers. (More on that later.) Toyota went back to the hosed one's supplier and got them to upgrade the hose so that became the fix. They then switched suppliers during MY08 but left the earlier years with the first supplier.

His explanation made sense so, noting that the 3.5L V6 is used on many 06-08 Toyota & Lexus models, I said, "So when the hose fails Toyota loves it because they get to sell a new engine or a new car!" He said they'd actually had one fail that required an engine rebuild and Toyota paid for it all because the customer had had the hose upgrade done. I thought that was a pretty interesting admission.

Now I'm looking the metal pipe up online and finding sources in the $17-18 range but with shipping/handling of $8-10. I does look like there is indeed a another supplier since I found a cross-reference to a Dorman 917-023. That part is listed for 2006-2012 RAV4 V6 as well as Avalon, Camry etc. Haven't found it in stock yet but this eBay seller Dorman 917 023 Engine Oil Feed Line | eBay shows a side-view picture of it on the engine.

Hope this lengthy post clarifies the issue if needed.

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After checking several sources who were out of stock and not even finding it listed on Dorman's site I ordered the pipe from CarParts.com Their #RB917023, $23.20 bought, handled & shipped.

A few good reviews from Amazon:

I purchased this Item for my 2006 rav4 limited v6, and was very pleased with it. The product is of the very highest quality, and is so much better than the metal and rubber vvti- oil line that Toyota uses on their 2006- 2008 2GRFE 3.5L ENGINE. For those of you who have not gone the all metal oil line route on their 2GRFE 3.5L engine toyota vehicle, get on board, this product does the job much better. Even Toyota corp knows the metal and rubber vvti oil line was a MAJOR BLUNDER!! on their part, that is why the 2009 to present rav4 v6 with the same engine as the 2006 to 2008 model, has the oil metal line. I highly recommend this product, all metal is the way to go!!, just ask Toyota

Used this part to replace a rear vvt-i hose on a 2008 Toyota Sienna van. My part had not failed yet, but my daughter's van had a failure of the factory hose. Fortunately she was within 2 miles of home and the engine was not damaged. The oil was not measurable on dip stick when she arrived home. The Toyota part still has the rubber hose.

This fits my 06 Avalon. Little bit tough to install it due to it's very difficult to reach hand and tool to the lower end connection. Have to take the power steering pump out.

While it was a pain to replace, it was well worth it and this part fit like a glove. The problems were removing the other parts to get to this part. No Regrets with this purchase.

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Oops, but kinda what I expected, CarParts.com is out of stock for the Dorman part. And since Dorman doesn't even list it on their site they may have discontinued it. Guess it's back to the Toyota part for $30+.
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