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I just bought this 1996, manual, 2wd RAV4. When I try to downshift into first gear I can not do it unless I am at a slow crawl, maybe 3 mph at most. Double shifting and revving up the engine don't help. Is this a RAV4 idiosyncrasy?
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ive never personally drivin any standard and was able to get into first without going slow.Im thinking you have nothing to worry about

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My '97 RAV4 with 5 speed certainly isn't like that. My guess would be that your 1st gear synchros are going, or, possibly that your clutch needs adjusted. If it only does that for 1st gear and not the others, then more than likely it's your 1st gear synchros in the transmission......Waaaay too many people downshift to slow down, and this puts unnecessary wear on both the clutch and the gear synchros. Much easier and much cheaper to replace brake pads and rotors.........


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In all of my manual trans vehicles there was little difficulty when downshifting to first gear if double clutching and matching engine and trans revs, but didn't do that at relatively high-for-first-gear road speeds. However, have not had a manual trans RAV4 . . .

But in my truck driving past double clutching and engine/trans speed matching had to be done for every shift down or up while moving, so I was accustomed to doing it routinely.

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im not 100% sure but isnt there something that makes it so you cant go into first gear unless youre going slow enough.just took a trip in my buddys 5 speed sentra and couldnt get into first while up to speed.

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I've owned two 1998 rav4 manual transmission suv's. Both were/are a bearcat to get in 1st gear when moving. YMMV.
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I just checked today for the heck of it--I can easily shift into first gear while going 15+ MPH. Clutch and tranny on mine are just fine, holds hills no problem, never slips.


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This should put this whole thing to rest...here some info,As I said at a low speed you can get into first........ It is never really a good idea to try and put the car back into 1st gear while moving. The reason behind this is that even when the clutch is depressed, the transmission gears are still being moved by the driveline, but the open clutch doesn't transfer any power. So when you are trying to put your car back into first gear at 15mph, the transmission struggles to synchronize the gear speed to the driveline speed. BUT if you depress the clutch and "downshift" sequentially through the gears, you will actually be able to put the car into first gear while rolling. This is because you have successfully slowed down the overall speed of the transmission, and therefore, the gear synchronizers won't struggle as much to match the gear speed to the driveline speed.

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I just bought this 1996, manual, 2wd RAV4. When I try to downshift into first gear I can not do it unless I am at a slow crawl, maybe 3 mph at most. Double shifting and revving up the engine don't help. Is this a RAV4 idiosyncrasy?
IMO, in normal driving there's no good reason to be shifting into first unless you're stopped. Downshifting to slow the car is something I NEVER did with my manual shift cars. I always figured brake pads are cheaper than engines & clutches so I simply shifted into neutral and used the brakes to slow & stop. Drop into First only when stopped.

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I just checked today for the heck of it--I can easily shift into first gear while going 15+ MPH. Clutch and tranny on mine are just fine, holds hills no problem, never slips.


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I do wonder how long that will last if you continue doing that. The first is designed for 40 MPH max and should not be able to downshift to 1 above 20 MPH, but is better shifted up before getting to 12 MPH. Also better for the MPG.
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