Originally Posted by bob-o
I should have done more research in advance. I foolishly assumed that if they were being sold without an "off road only" label and the seller had extensive listings of cars with no off road capability, that Ebay would not let them sell such an obviously illegal and fraudulently represented product. I was wrong.
The seller has a 99% plus rating, but I learned that Ebay's ratings system is totally bogus. If an unsatisfied customer gets their money back, they cannot leave negative feedback. This means 90% of their customers could be unhappy and as long as they give a refund there is no consequence to their seller rating. The buyer still loses.
Somebody can send you a bag of dirt when you paid for a fur coat. Ebay buyer protection will get you back the original transaction price including shipping, but only after receiving the tracking info that shows you returned it, and the BUYER still has to pay for shipping the bag of dirt back.
The last thing I need is a brightly illuminated sign on my car that says "please pull me over and give me a ticket". I don't drink so that's not the issue. I just am not willing to do it.
I believe that if I get a set of Lexus projectors with the housings and the leveling sensors and have the installation certified that it would be legal. It looks like it will cost over $500, so I will make absolutely sure of that before I proceed.
I also believe putting illegal lights on my car with 2000 miles on it would substantially reduce the resale value. I love the car but I haven't driven it much in the snow and that's where I'll decide whether to keep it. I just put Blizzaks on it and am heading up tomorrow
proper retrofits benefit the driver and causes no harm to others on the road, neither should it attract attention from cops. If there is no glare, your car would appear as bright as any other vehicle that comes with oem projectors.
I've never heard of getting a retrofit legally certified. You can find a lot of info on hidplanet.com; this is where I got the bulk of my information. As I stated earlier, even if you get oem projectors, any retrofit installed on a car that did not originally come with projectors are illegal.
BTW, Lexus projectors are $190 on TRS. Most installers do them for over $500, so you're looking at paying over $700. Especially since you're mentioning "leveling sensors", which I don't think you can do for the RAV. Even if you can, you're looking at spending at least $1000, including projectors. Again, do your research and google all this stuff; it's very pricey, which is why I did the retrofit myself.
And I don't think you can blame the seller for selling you an HID kit, especially since it was only a 35 watt system. I've yet to see anyone label their HID kits for "off road only" usage, unless it's something higher, like a 75 watt system. I think you should admit that you're half to blame here, buddy; if you had done research, you would've discovered that HIDs aren't street legal unless it originally comes with the car. In the ideal world, everything would be labeled, but it's not. For example: 6 years ago, I bought an aftermarket cold air intake system from autozone. California is strict about smog laws, but I figured that since the part is sold at autozone then it shouldn't be illegal. I got randomly pulled over (probably because of my ostentatious paint job) and received a ticket for the car being too low and and it contains an aftermarket intake pipe. Found out that the intake was suppose to be stamped with a smog certified label. It was my fault and I didn't know. It sucks, but you learn from your mistakes and make the best of it.
Aftermarket projectors are no big deal and hardly does anyone get pulled over for it if properly aimed; that is, unless there is a yearly inspection on vehicles where you live.