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My wife and I also test drove a hybrid and liked it. It had been a while since we drove a non hybrid so I couldn't tell if it was quieter overall but the engine noise was definitely smoother, nor rough sounding as the non hybrid was. Also, acceleration is noticeably better. We have a deposit on one but still trying to get the best price, so far have an offer for about $1800 off msrp, hope to do better.
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I have seen a few XLE trims listed with the packages I want but not too big of a discount. I figure the Dealers are trying to get rid of the remaining 18s first. I have about a month before I can buy so maybe by then there will be offering better discounts.
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That's my experience 2019 camry gas vs hybrid. The main diff is not the engine, but rather the CVT vs 8 speed transmission. The CVT is simply superior.
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I test drove a gas XE (non-premium) and was left pretty disappointed. No umph but a ton of engine/road noise; especially on a freeway. A couple of weeks later, I test drove a limited HV and WOW what a difference! I was limited to city streets with stops at every intersection but did get to gun it up a hill. While it was a touch louder than my V6 gas highlander, it felt the same accelerating and didn't sound strained or anything. I placed my order for an XSE on 3/23 and it is expected to arrive next week (about 2.5-3 week wait). Paying full MSRP (which I'm OK with) but I have to include carpet floor mats which I'm not too thrilled about. Asked about swapping them to the AW version since they're the same price but they said no.
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Seems to be a trend that the hybrid is preferred over the gas models by test drivers, both due to better sound-proofing and characteristics of the hybrid power train (including cvt) , not to mention 16 more hp. I know it’s a small sample, but most buyers on this forum who drove the HV have gone on to purchase the hybrid over the gas model. Toyota needs to improve the sound-proofing significantly on the gas models or prepare to boost their percentage of hybrid to gas models higher than 25% as originally projected. Note that in Europe Toyota is only selling the hybrid rav4 or a turbo-charged gas model in 2019.
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Note that in Europe Toyota is only selling the hybrid rav4 or a turbo-charged gas model in 2019.
Any info on the turbo model? I remember there was talks about a 2.0 turbo alongside the hybrid in the UK but never saw more info.
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Correction: I think I may have gotten it wrong about the turbo in Europe for the 2019 rav4...at one point there was speculation about offering a turbo there, but I went to the Toyota Motor Europe site and they seem to be offering either the hybrid (with cvt) or gas motor (non turbo), but with the option of getting a manual shifter in the gas model.
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Correction: I think I may have gotten it wrong about the turbo in Europe for the 2019 rav4...at one point there was speculation about offering a turbo there, but I went to the Toyota Motor Europe site and they seem to be offering either the hybrid (with cvt) or gas motor (non turbo), but with the option of getting a manual shifter in the gas model.
Over here there are only 3 options in various trims: 2.0L (atmospheric) petrol manual, 2.5 hybrid FWD and 2.5 hybrid i-AWD. The latter 2 of course also in XSE trim available.

Ordered a 2019 RAV4 Hybrid AWD (XSE HV Premium) in Zircon Silver / Attitude Black.
For now my Black-and-Blue 2018 C-HR Hybrid Bi-tone Premium will do.
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I see all high-mileage models only going into the Netherlands market (and likely throughout Europe as well)... of course petrol prices higher there than in the states...but it is currently rising here too...Vonjot, when do you expect to receive your ordered XSE? Here in southern California the hybrid rav4’s are just trickling into dealers and being sold quickly...
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Drove the XSE on Saturday

My dealer had been reserving an XSE order for me and I drove it on Saturday (Blueprint, Premium Audio, just under $37K (US) MSRP). I have a 2016 Rav4 Hybrid XLE (extended lease until September).

Just on the surface:
- Love the way it drives, but not much more than my 2016
- Interior is nicer than my 2016 but not really by much. The biggest improvement, imho, is the larger entune screen. The seats were nice too.
- Was disappointed by the low resolution of the backup camera and the rear view mirror camera
- Premium audio was nice, but not really that much better than the standard audio system
- More engine noise than my 2016, no question
- Side mirrors were shaky, just like the 2019 gas models, which raises questions about body integrity (I'm a Toyota guy through and through - it takes a lot for me to have these concerns about a Toyota)

I told the dealer to work up numbers for a $0 down lease, and based on the excel model I had created and data I collected from the Edmunds lease forums, they made a pretty great offer (61% residual value, money factor of 0.001, sale price of $33,144). The monthly payment would have been $425 based on these numbers as well as equity on my trade in and tax benefits in my state. For perspective, I'm also looking at the brand new Forester in Limited trim, which, as of a month ago, would've been about $100/month less for the lease!

At the end of the day, I just couldn't justify paying $425/month for this car. While I like it a lot, it's not that much different from my 2016 XLE which was WAY less expensive (about $9K less on the sticker). I have until September to decide, but unless I find a great deal on this or something else before then, I'm thinking that I'll just buy my car and keep it for a little while.

That said, I do really like the car - just not enough more than my 2016 to justify it.
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