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water pump, including thermostat, belt and tensioner - $718

recondition the head - $1,903(regular price, $3,500 - $4,000)

vvt-i gear, including filter, oil control valve, timing change tensioner and oil pump - $872

fuel injector o-rings - $369

balance shaft bearings - $212
A 2006 RAV4 4x4 4 cyl with how many miles?

I would spend zero $$ on up-sells / and figure on replacing the water pump, when the timing belt needs replaced.

Better yet, after oil issue is fixed properly / just drive SUV or sell it for a v6 Gen3 or newer Gen4.
- 4100 US$ extra is just not worth spending / on a 12 year old SUV
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Total $4074.00 for a 2006 are they out of their minds? I would just have them fix the oil burning!

yes, that's what i'm going to have them do.
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yes, that's what i'm going to have them do.
Let us know how you make out! Good Luck
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A 2006 RAV4 4x4 4 cyl with how many miles?

I would spend zero $$ on up-sells / and figure on replacing the water pump, when the timing belt needs replaced.

Better yet, after oil issue is fixed properly / just drive SUV or sell it for a v6 Gen3 or newer Gen4.
- 4100 US$ extra is just not worth spending / on a 12 year old SUV
it has 157,000 miles on it. i am going to get the water pump replaced, but i can go to a local garage for that(i can't do it myself, i'm not much of a mechanic). yes, that is too much money to spend on an old vehicle. i don't think i'd get much money for it since besides the age and the mileage, it also has the clear coat on the hood peeling off. it's already pretty much peeled off on the roof.
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So they haven't torn into the engine, they are just eyeballing it and guessing! It doesn't need a complete rebuild. If the car was running relatively well (despite the oil burning) those are mostly unnecessary. It would be nice to get the valves and valve seals done, spark plugs, (I guess that is under "recondition the head") but that price is about double what it is worth since the head will already be off to replace the pistons. I MIGHT offer $1200 for that, just to throw them a (large) bone and cross my fingers.

Also, unless the water pump is leaking, making noise, it also does not need to be done now. Simply preventative.

Probably best to tell them to "Just fix the oil burning issue under the warranty." Good luck!

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So they haven't torn into the engine, they are just eyeballing it and guessing!
The only thing they are eyeballing is their upsell list. And the guessing is about how much they can get away with. It's also interesting how much of that list are parts you'd have no way to tell if they were actually replaced.

Having had many engines apart from the 1970s to my Accord last year I can say with confidence that only one part on that list is now a normal wear item - the Serpentine (water pump) belt, and they can go 200,000+ miles. Valve stem seals (part of a cylinder head reconditioning) used to start leaking back in the old days but not now.
The water pump may eventually need replacing but my advice is the same as already mentioned. "Unless the water pump is leaking, making noise, it also does not need to be done now." AFAIK, the belt and the head are the only parts that need to be removed to do the oil consumption fix.

So, let them sell you a new belt for whatever price keeping in mind the most expensive one on rockauto.com is $18.59.

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Good points, Dr D. Upon further review, those add-on prices are just so high, I'd skip them all. I saw on the Camry forum, who some mentioned geting the valve stem seal replacement, the cost was about $150 for all 16 valve seals. The labor with the head off would be negligible. So the $1900 estimate given the OP is ludicrous, if not completely unnecessary.

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Good points, Dr D. Upon further review, those add-on prices are just so high, I'd skip them all. I saw on the Camry forum, who some mentioned geting the valve stem seal replacement, the cost was about $150 for all 16 valve seals. The labor with the head off would be negligible. So the $1900 estimate given the OP is ludicrous, if not completely unnecessary.
Upsell add-on prices are, by definition, too high. It's a fishing expedition.

A friend of mine just bought a $1000 gen-1 Tacoma with a 2.4L 16-valve 4 cylinder with a couple of bad exhaust valves. Took the head to a very reputable local machine shop and asked them to do only what it needed. For $350 they replaced the two bad valves, machined the seats and I'm sure replaced all the stem seals. I wonder how much the dealer would mark up the machine shop's price. Probably double.

When I replaced the nine bent valves in my Accord last year I didn't bother changing any of the stem seals even tho 32 new ones came in my rebuild gasket kit. Just no need at 128,000 miles. BTW, rockauto.com was my best buy source for all the parts ($500 worth) that weren't dealer items.

So again my advice is have the dealer replace the accessory serpentine belt even if they charge $40 for it since the labor charge to do it later if you can't DIY would be more than that.
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yes, i did tell them to just fix the oil burning issue(and when i dropped it off, the service advisor did tell me that i did not have to approve any repair suggestions that they had). they did say the water pump is leaking but i'm just going to have that done at some other local auto repair. i once heard that the water pump is okay if it's leaking just a little. but if the coolant level is rapidly getting low in the reservoir then it's time to replace the pump.

the vehicle has been running pretty well - like my two previous toyota trucks, i've had few, if any, problems. i just hope that when i get it back, it doesn't have any problems. i did read other threads about this issue, i saw there were a few people who had problems when they got their vehicles back.
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yes, i did tell them to just fix the oil burning issue(and when i dropped it off, the service advisor did tell me that i did not have to approve any repair suggestions that they had). they did say the water pump is leaking but i'm just going to have that done at some other local auto repair. i once heard that the water pump is okay if it's leaking just a little. but if the coolant level is rapidly getting low in the reservoir then it's time to replace the pump.

the vehicle has been running pretty well - like my two previous toyota trucks, i've had few, if any, problems. i just hope that when i get it back, it doesn't have any problems. i did read other threads about this issue, i saw there were a few people who had problems when they got their vehicles back.
Good.. I bet the water pump is ok too. They just want to make some extra money. Did you get the new belt that was suggested here?
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