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Hello everyone,

I recently had Sachs struts and shocks installed on my '11 V6 Ltd. The original shocks were completely worn out at about 40K miles. For example, the rear shocks leaked, could be compressed by hand and did not rebound. The RAV crashed and banged over road imperfections.

My OBJECTIVE OBSERVATIONS are as follows:
- The Sachs setup is firmer than the stock Base/Ltd. struts & shocks.
- RIDE: Though I've not driven a Sport, from what others have said I'd guess that the ride
characteristics are closer to a Sport but without the harshness. I'm sure that some of this is
due to running 60-series tires. Overall, the ride is still comfortable. When driving over rough
pavement, e.g., potholes, frost heaves and expansion joints, you hear a "thump" sound.
NYC has horrendous streets and the RAV handles them with aplomb. The suspension no
longer oscillates and "jiggles" on the rebound stroke; it is well damped.
- HANDLING: The RAV is more precise in handling curves, both constant-radius and
switchbacks. It takes a set and feels planted, especially at high speeds. Body roll is
noticeably reduced. (I still plan to buy a beefier rear anti-roll bar.)
- Overall, the RAV is more controlled. Despite the high center of gravity, it handles more like
a good sport coupe.

My SUBJECTIVE OBSERVATIONS are as follows:
- I love the change. But I like a firm, comfortable, suspension. I'd guess that someone who
likes a cushy, Cadillac-like ride might not like it. I do. >:D
- The Sachs setup is worth every penny. Which brings me to...
- PRICE: I purchased the struts & shocks from RockAuto. I can't praise them enough regarding service and price.
TOYOTA:
Struts: $164.54 each (minus 10% that I get as a regular customer).
Shocks: $51.57 each (minus 10%).
ROCKAUTO/SACHS:
Struts: $102.99 each
Shocks: $50.99 each
Strut Bellow: $14.83 each (for some reason these didn't fit. I sent them back and RockAuto
credited my card.)
Strut Mount: $65.79 each (I didn't get Toyota's price for these.)
Shipping Ground: $11.60
Shipping FedEx International Priority: $86.49 (This was for the shocks as they had to come
from the UK. I don't regret paying the high shipping cost.)
Total Parts: $567.29 (Minus the bellows credit.)
Total Labor: $557.90 (This was labor at my local independent shop that included a four
wheel alignment + adjustment.)
Grand Total: $1,125.19 versus $2,500 at my local Toyota dealer.

In sum, if you like the Sachs handling and ride characteristics, and the price, I honestly and heartily recommend going this route. My observations are not scientific. That said, I stand by them. It isn't the setup for everybody. But for those who really like to drive and want to increase the RAV's fun factor, this is a way to go. :D

Cheers,
mlrav
 
Your write up is excellent and has really helped me in making my decision to replace my struts and shocks w/ Sachs, HOWEVER, I am having a hard time finding them.

I have gone to the link you have provided and they have 1... left front available. The right is no where to be found. Rockauto's website is very primitive to say the least.

I have found them at AutoZone, but kept getting errors when placing the order and end up calling their customer support. Per AutoZone, Sach is having production backlog on their product and said that typically they will be available next week sometime. (Of course, when there is no sale going on...!!!)

Do you know of any other place that sells these suspension items by chance? Or anyone else know? I've also tried all the other big named auto stores and no one else carries them.

Also awaiting a friend to get back to me from my local dealer and give me info on the OEM sport struts, they should fit all trim levels but he is checking. If I can get them at his cost, I might just skip the Sachs availability issues and go w/ something more readily available.
 
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I am glad that my write up helped you. But I don't know of any other place to buy Sachs struts & shocks except Rock Auto. And believe me, I looked everywhere even in other countries.

I'd suggest that you give them a phone call. They've been helpful when I've spoken with them giving me specific information, e.g., that the shocks had to be shipped from the UK. Perhaps they can give you more info about a production backlog and when the units will be available. If you can wait I'd suggest doing that. Sachs are well worth waiting for. But give Rock Auto a phone call before you select another brand. It can't hurt. Good luck and keep us posted.
 
... snipped ... - The Sachs setup is worth every penny. Which brings me to...
- PRICE: I purchased the struts & shocks from RockAuto. I can't praise them enough regarding service and price.
TOYOTA:
Struts: $164.54 each (minus 10% that I get as a regular customer).
Shocks: $51.57 each (minus 10%).

Grand Total: $1,125.19 versus $2,500 at my local Toyota dealer. mlrav
I just had my dealership recommend I change my rear shocks (I heard and felt their wonkiness this past weekend). They quoted me $344 including tax installed.

After reading this post, I assume this does not include the struts.
 
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I just had my dealership recommend I change my rear shocks (I heard and felt their wonkiness this past weekend). They quoted me $344 including tax installed.

After reading this post, I assume this does not include the struts.
BugJr,

Sorry, but I just replied elsewhere to your other post asking for shock suggestions. After reading this post I realize that you've already read my review suggesting Sachs.

Anyway, I'm not sure what you mean about the $344 relative to the prices listed in my post. Please clarify. Also, $344 seems rather expensive even including labor. What is your dealer's labor rate? And I'd very much doubt it includes struts.

mlrav
 
... snipped ... I'm not sure what you mean about the $344 relative to the prices listed in my post. Please clarify. Also, $344 seems rather expensive even including labor. What is your dealer's labor rate? And I'd very much doubt it includes struts. mlrav
The Dealer's shop rate is CDN $100/hour. The $344 quote was for rear shocks only, installed, taxes included (that's 13% for us). I thought your $2,000+ Toyota dealer quote was crazy but you're right, no struts in my number.

I do like your write-up about your Sachs' ... and they do seem reasonable compared to what your wrote the dealer quoted you. I'd love to go your route ... but with this being SWMBO's vehicle, I know having higher end suspension bits is not a priority for her. She just wants to push the "Start" button" and well ... GO.

I do appreciate your sharing the info though. Thanks.
 
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My wife also isn't interested in higher end suspension bits. She always tells me she doesn't want to hear about camshafts, compression ratios, etc. She couldn't even feel that the shocks were shot and she didn't notice a difference with the new ones. As does yours she just wants to start the car and drive. To her credit, she does like to drive and constantly reminds me of our last vehicle, a BMW. In any case, she was convinced to go with Sachs simply because they were cheaper than OEM. You might try that with your wife.

The 13% sales tax explains the difference in price. I'd guess that it also explains how Canada has single-payer, true universal health care. It explains how higher education is affordable in Canada. I've had Canadian students whose tuition was paid by your government while my American students struggle with crushing debt. Okay, I'll get off the soap box and just say that I'd willingly pay 13% sales tax (it's 25% in Denmark) especially for something like shocks if we got something for our tax dollars. Good luck.
 
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ROCKAUTO/SACHS:

Struts: $102.99 each - Sachs PN 314 846 (left front); Sachs PN 313 883 (right front)
Shocks: $50.99 each - Sachs 314 863 (fits rear both sides)
Strut Bellow: $14.83 each (for some reason these didn't fit. I sent them back and RockAuto
credited my card.) Sachs PN 900 096
Strut Mount: $65.79 each - Sachs PN 802 668 (fits front both sides)

mlrav
mlrav, I found a Canadian Sachs distributor not far from my place (within an hour). I just want to confirm the part numbers (PN's) if you happen to have those available.

The ones I came up with I found on-line (see link below) and I've included in your original post above. Are these what you ordered?

SACHS USA/Canada | PDF + Print Catalogs SACHS

Also, If I understood your post, the boot kit did not fit so you sent it back?

Please confirm the above if you can. Thanks ~ Bugjr ~
 
I went to Autozone and pulled up struts for a 2012 2WD Limited 4cyl as well as the 2012 4WD Sport V6. These vehicles are different weights, different engines as well as a different model. The part# for the Sachs struts were the same -314846. How could that be possible? How did you know they were going to be more firm than stock and more like the OEM Sport model? If so, they'd be even firmer for the 4 cylinder model!
 
I went to Autozone and pulled up struts for a 2012 2WD Limited 4cyl as well as the 2012 4WD Sport V6. These vehicles are different weights, different engines as well as a different model. The part# for the Sachs struts were the same -314846. How could that be possible? How did you know they were going to be more firm than stock and more like the OEM Sport model? If so, they'd be even firmer for the 4 cylinder model!
Welcome to the aftermarket...they are the same part number cause they are physically the same size...aftermarket companies would not make money if they made the same variations of auto parts that the OEM auto makers do...Toyota sold over 150k rav4s a year so it could afford to make various strut configurations while an aftermarket company may only sell 1k of the replacement struts per year...if you want stock performance then you buy stock...aftermarket will never be the same...
 
... snipped ... Toyota sold over 150k rav4s a year so it could afford to make various strut configurations while an aftermarket company may only sell 1k of the replacement struts per year...if you want stock performance then you buy stock...aftermarket will never be the same...
This brings up an interesting point. I wonder if there are different PN for the various struts and shocks used on the 2WD/4WD and Base/Sport/Limited models?
 
Discussion starter · #13 · (Edited)
mlrav, I found a Canadian Sachs distributor not far from my place (within an hour). I just want to confirm the part numbers (PN's) if you happen to have those available.

The ones I came up with I found on-line (see link below) and I've included in your original post above. Are these what you ordered?

SACHS USA/Canada | PDF + Print Catalogs SACHS

Also, If I understood your post, the boot kit did not fit so you sent it back?

Please confirm the above if you can. Thanks ~ Bugjr ~
I checked the part numbers again. They are slightly different from my numbers that you quoted. (Old age strikes again! Sorry.)

The correct RockAuto and identical Sachs numbers are as follows:
Shocks...313 887
Struts... 313 884 and 313 883

The only number that matches with the Sachs pdf that you sent is Strut 883. I don't know why 884 is not listed. I would just go with what the distributor says you need.

The boot/bellows did not fit according to my mechanic. I didn't actually see what he was talking about but I trust him. I sent the boot/bellows back and RockAuto credited my card. The mechanic reused the original ones since they were in good shape. Please let us know how it turns out for you. Good luck.
 
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Welcome to the aftermarket...they are the same part number cause they are physically the same size...aftermarket companies would not make money if they made the same variations of auto parts that the OEM auto makers do...Toyota sold over 150k rav4s a year so it could afford to make various strut configurations while an aftermarket company may only sell 1k of the replacement struts per year...if you want stock performance then you buy stock...aftermarket will never be the same...
valnar,

I'll have to agree with rav4system's explanation for the difference in OEM and aftermarket production volume numbers. Makes sense to me. That said, keep in mind that Sachs IS AN OEM manufacturer, e.g., BMW, VW, Mercedes. I don't know it for a fact, but it could well be that RAVs sold in the EU market have Sachs shocks in their new vehicles. Who knows? If not Sachs, I'd bet that whatever brand shocks they use have firmer settings than RAVs sold in North America.

As for why I bought Sachs, I knew them from many other vehicles I'd had in years past. I love them. I also absolutely loathe stock RAV Ltd. shocks. If I owed a Sport I might not say that. I like a firm suspension. But each to his own. Also, there is very, very little aftermarket anything for RAVs. I was, and am, overjoyed that I found Sachs for my ride. In this case I'm glad "aftermarket" isn't the same as stock.
 
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Welcome to the aftermarket...they are the same part number cause they are physically the same size...aftermarket companies would not make money if they made the same variations of auto parts that the OEM auto makers do...Toyota sold over 150k rav4s a year so it could afford to make various strut configurations while an aftermarket company may only sell 1k of the replacement struts per year...if you want stock performance then you buy stock...aftermarket will never be the same...
I went to Autozone and pulled up struts for a 2012 2WD Limited 4cyl as well as the 2012 4WD Sport V6. These vehicles are different weights, different engines as well as a different model. The part# for the Sachs struts were the same -314846. How could that be possible? How did you know they were going to be more firm than stock and more like the OEM Sport model? If so, they'd be even firmer for the 4 cylinder model!
How did I know they'd be more firm than stock and more like the OEM Sport? I know Sachs.:thumbs_up:
 
This brings up an interesting point. I wonder if there are different PN for the various struts and shocks used on the 2WD/4WD and Base/Sport/Limited models?
The answer is yes...sport shocks and struts are different than limited and base...different springs between 2wd and 4wd...3rd row...v6...I don't recall all the variations, but there are many...
 
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