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Changing the 2016 RAV4 Horns

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#1 ·
Okay, after owning a 2014 Camry, I was pretty disappointed (and embarrassed!) by the OEM horns of my 2016 RAV4 XLE. So after doing a lot of reading on this site, I decided to change them.


I purchased a set of Fiamm El Grande Horns (Part No. 74100) from Amazon. I knew just from looking that I didn’t want to have to remove the entire front-end of the vehicle just to change the horns. So after doing a bit more reading, I found a thread where someone had simply removed the top fasteners and then, using a couple of 2x4’s, held the bodywork out far enough that he could accomplish the mission. Sounded simple enough to me!


So I removed the six fasters that held the top of the bodywork to the vehicle (as you can see from the picture, I had also previously removed the fasteners that held the trim piece over the radiator, but there’s no need to do that since it accomplishes nothing and doesn’t provide any access to the needed area). I also removed the three bolts that hold the top portion of each headlight in place just to loosen up the headlights to make it easier for the bodywork to slide out from under the headlight.

As you can see, I then wedged a couple of pieces of 2x4 in there to make a space large enough for me to get my arms down there to do the necessary work. It was surprisingly easy! One bolt to remove the old horn, pull off the electrical connector, plug the electrical connector back onto the blade of the new horn (it doesn't lock in place as on the OEM horns, but it's a tight enough fit that I don't think it will come off), and bolt the new horn back in place. The center horn is the more difficult simply because it’s in the middle of the vehicle and is lower down, but it’s easy enough. The top horn is located high on the driver’s side and is dead simple. I also didn’t use the red plastic piece included with the horns. It’s just decorative and would be facing the radiator anyway, so it’s really unnecessary. There was also no need for the included relay.


I’ve included a few sound files so you can hear the before and after differences. Since there is only one of me (unfortunately! :laugh ), I was standing behind the driver’s door, pushing the horn and holding my phone forward pointed under the hood, so you’re hearing the horn from the back, but you can still tell there’s an obvious difference between the OEM horns and the Fiamm El Grande horns.

So all in all, this was a very simple mod, much easier than I thought it was going to be considering that apparently some people have removed the entire front fascia just to swap out the horns! I highly recommend it! Here in Tex-Ass, all drivers are extremely courteous and generous toward all others, drivers and pedestrians alike, so there's very little need to actually use the horn for anything other than shooing away the occasional deer standing on the side of the road gazing all doey-eyed at the passing vehicles, but should the need arise, it is nice to have horns that are considerably more substantial sounding than the meep-meep horns provided by our favorite vehicle manufacturer! :surprise




Remove these six fasteners (and three top bolts for the headlights):



2x4's holding bodywork out for easy access:



OEM Horns (factory marked with orange dot):



Fiamm El Grande Horns installed:





OEM Horns:


View attachment Before 01.mp3

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Fiamm El Grande Horns:


View attachment After 01.mp3

View attachment After 02.mp3

Hope this information helps!!! C ya!

Ron :nerd
 
#3 ·
I just now did this to my 2016 Rav4 xle.
It's really simple, without needing to stress the plastics in the bumper with wood.

There are 5 clip/bumper screws and bolts in the front center of the bumper just under the hood. Remove them.
Next there are 2 screw bolts on either side of the wheel well. 1 under the bumper parellel to the ground and 1 just up on the underside of the wheel well, above a small flat head plastic screw release clip. It turns 90° left just once to unlock.
Once all screws, clips and bolts are removed, you can gently pull the bumper along the seam under the headlights until the parts release.
When the bumper seams are released, you can gently pull the front top where the 1st 5 screws were removed until the bumper pops off its mounts. You can let it just rest where it stops and you will have a good 8 inches to easily work on the horns.

I installed the same horns that the original poster recomendations and they fit perfectly.
All you do is unclipped the blade plug from the exsiting horn and remove it saving the bolt. The new horns both have the same blade plug so just plug in the new ones and attach them just as the old ones were attached.

Once the horns are securely fastened, you can move the bumper into place again and snap the seams together again.
Screw it all back together as you took it apart and enjoy not being ignored in traffic anymore.
 
#7 ·
PSILOGENIC, would it be possible for you to take photos of the connectors/bolts on the side of the wheel well and the one under the bumper parellel to the ground and the one up on the underside of the wheel well? No trouble finding the correct connectors on the top of the grill assembly but I want to be certain of the ones underneath. I like you system to move this assembly out to install replacement Camry horns. thanks.
 
#4 ·
I actually did remove the fasteners from the wheel well, as you described, along with the indicated fasteners on the top, but wasn't able to get the front fascia to move out of the way. Perhaps I wasn't trying hard enough (or "gently" enough, as it were!). Either way, since a 2x4 is only 3-1/2" wide, it certainly didn't put much stress on the plastic and still provided plenty of room to change out the horns, even the one in the center, and was, IMHO, the easier solution. Regardless, either way, it's a pretty easy mod to undertake!
 
#9 ·
Maybe because it's winter and the plastic is little stiffer, but I'm having a tough time pulling the bumper even with all the screws off including the side off. Where did you grab the bumper first to loosen the side or even enough to slide in the 2x4? Maybe I'm being a little timid of cracking the bumper, but I can only seem to make a 2 inch space.

Thanks for your help.
 
#10 ·
Howdy! You don't say where you're located, but if it's that cold, I would wait until it warms up. You do not have to loosen the side (near the wheel well) at all, just remove the indicated screws and pull toward you and you should easily be able to get enough room to insert the 2x4s as shown in the pictures I posted. The plastic is strong and flexible enough that you shouldn't have any problem with it, so don't worry about cracking it (unless, I guess, if it's freezing cold when you're trying it!).

Good luck! :nerd
 
#13 ·
Hi, anyone replaced horn for hybrid version? I tried to do it follow the instruction and picture but unsuccessful. The placement of the screws are different and it doesnt move much after remove those plus headlight's

Thanks for any info/suggestion. Hate those dc beltway drivers and want to give them warnings with hella instead music to their ears. Haha
 
#63 ·
Hi, anyone replaced horn for hybrid version? I tried to do it follow the instruction and picture but unsuccessful. The placement of the screws are different and it doesnt move much after remove those plus headlight's
Hi Clarinet, I meant to reply to you in my post above - I just did the horns on my hybrid. I found it very helpful to remove a screw and a clip from each wheel well - then lift a little and pull on the bumper and it opened right up. I didn't touch the headlights. Hope this helps!
 
#15 ·
Owning a 2017 RAV4 XLE I was a bit embarrassed with the toy like horns! I also purchased a set of El Grande Fiamm 7411 off from EBay for $26.33 shipped. Thanks to the write-up and pictures from rscot01 I was able to complete the job with only one minor setback. Dropped the attaching bolt to the lower horns. That bolt disappeared into the bowels of the vehicle. Under the vehicle I had to remove one large piece of plastic trim, finally located the devil. The difference in the sound is night and day and very much worth the effort.

My many thanks to rscot01 for the write-up and pictures, made the difference.

Larry
 
#16 ·
Welcome to the 'Beep beep no more' club DEPUTY347K9 aka Larry!
 
#17 ·
Why would Toyota make higher tone horns? Is it cheaper and they are saving money? Do they not have the engineering knowledge to replicate a 1970's Cadillac horn?

The real answer is probably based on physics and human physiology.

Fact 1: sound transducers, which is what a horn is, are more efficient at certain frequencies. As a general rule of thumb, if you have say 10amp wiring dedicated to a horn, a horn transducer tuned to 1000hz will be louder than a horn transducer tuned to 700hz. Lower frequencies require more energy than higher frequencies for the same output. If you are limited to 10amps, you get more sound pressure output if you go with a higher frequency.

Fact 2: Human hearing is more sensitive to higher frequencies, up to a point, when it starts to roll off. If you have two horns, one 700hz and another 1000hz, and they both produce the same sound pressure levels, the 1000hz will appear to be louder to a human ear. That's why if you have a home theater system, at full blast your sub-woofer might require a 500 watt amplifier, and your tweeter will use only 20 watts.

So, the high sounding Toyota horn is beneficial in 2 ways, it generated a higher sound pressure level, and on top of that the perceived loudness of the tone is higher also. The horn is a safety device, not a macho fashion accessory, and I would argue that a Toyota horn is much better at grabbing the attention of other drivers. :D
 
#18 ·
Why would Toyota make higher tone horns? Is it cheaper and they are saving money? Do they not have the engineering knowledge to replicate a 1970's Cadillac horn?

The real answer is probably based on physics and human physiology.
You make a good point, but WHY does Toyota put normal horns on the Camry but meep-meep horns on the RAV4?
 
#21 ·
You would think that Toyota could easily put Camry horns on the RAV4 -- I know I do! -- and that would stop people like us from having to change them out. After all, I had a 2014 Camry and was very pleased with the sound of the horns on that, but was pretty embarrassed to hear the horns on my RAV4 when I got it last March.

The only thing I can really think of is the RAV4 is manufactured in Japan and the Camry is manufactured in the U.S. (specifically, Georgetown, Kentucky and Lafayette, Indiana). Of course, I don't have any idea where the horns are manufactured, but perhaps the RAV4 horns are supplied by an Asian company and the Camry horns are supplied by a U.S. company. Assuming that's true -- and I don't know if we can really assume that or not, but for the purposes of this argument... -- then obviously it wouldn't be very cost effective to send a shipload of Camry horns all the way to Japan to install on (at least) U.S.-bound RAV4s. Since I'm sure there aren't that many people out there with RAV4s that bother to change out the horns (or even care, for that matter!), I doubt Toyota is all that concerned about it one way or another!

Just my three cents (I got a raise -- my social security check went up $.05 this year -- and can afford to splurge!!!)
 
#22 ·
Mistake on my part and didn't follow the instructions step by step few days ago.

This afternoon I've read the instruction again and also removed the additional screws/plastic holder at wheel well. Afterwards, I was able to lose the bumper by using a small flat head screwdriver to lift 3-4 black tab that hold the bumper on each side. after that, I was able to move the bumper forward few inches and use socket wrench to remove screws that hold the horns.

Thanks for all the instructions.
 
#23 ·
Good morning from Spain Europe ??
This is my first participaciĂłn in this
forum
I have a 2016 Rav4 hybrid and only have 1 horn (Maruko MR-FH-03) with obviously only 1 connector.
I'm interested in installing a Fiamm El Grande kit but before I buy it, I have a question to Justmegee (or any one else Rav4 owner who already made the change from a single horn to a double horn).
My doubth is concerning the connection from one horn to the other without cutting any wires, since the car has only 1 connector.
Has the El Grande kit a single plug and play connector in one horn and wires to connect to the second one?
I'll greatly appreciate your help
 
#26 ·
Thanks Justmegee
It seems that for Europe only have 1 horn (loud).
I have already purchased a set of dual tone Fiamm AM80S (almost same as El Grande)
Once I receive it and install I'll check if there is a hidden connector for the second horn to easy the replacement.
In any case I've already prepared the wiring hardness for the Fiamm horns.
 
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#30 ·
Thanks RAVN4RED
You are probably right and most sure I have 2 horns but only can see 1 looking through the front grill.
As soon as I receive the new horn set in a few days, I'll do the installation.
Plan A is just remove the 5 or 6 clips on top and the 2 each side in the wheel well and then pull the bumper off and tilt it sufficiently to make room for my hands and get access from the top.
Plan B is to remove the compete bumper, removing bolts (I think are 6) under the bumper.
Once the job is done I'll make and later share pics and my comments but before that I have a question.
You said that connection will be just plug and play but my new FIAMM horn set AM 80 S has 2 male blade 6,3 mm each horn (current and ground). I guees if the car connector at the end of the cables are female if will fit (plug and play) but in any case I'll have to reroute the other horn terminal to ground, since the OEM horn has only a single cable and horn body grounded.
Sorry if I din not explain clearly but my english is not as good as I wish

 
#32 ·
I already made succesfully the change on my Rav4 2016 hybrid basically following PSILOGENIC recommentadion Thanks!!
Just for those still having questions, please see some pictures I have taken
1) shows the screw 8mm hex head and the plastic clip which attach the bumper in the wheel well

2&3) for pulling off the bumper make sure the round dimple is release by lifting it a bit, otherwise it will not come off. (See before and after release)
4) Do It in both sides and after that remove the 6 (4 screws and 2 plastic clips)
The bumper can then be moved forward easely.
It os not a matter of force neither could temperatures the easy of the job.
5) bumper moved ahead

Hope It help somebody
 

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#40 ·
This is probably the best and safest way of doing it (2017 XLE). Took me about 25-30 min. Bumper moves forward and opens plenty of room to replace horns. Famms sound fantastic. Much better then OEM horns. Modern cars like lego`s haha.. pop pop pop.. and front is off. Replaced Fog Light bulbs while at it too, with LED`s. :D
 
#33 ·
Hi all, first post here. My wife and I just got a '17 RAV4 Hybrid and too were disappointed with the factory horn. So, I ordered a set of Hella Supertones to replace it. Going through this thread, I think swapping them out will be a non-issue thanks to everyone's hard work and photos, but do you know if I need to build the wiring harness for the Hella's or is there enough power going to the factory horns without the need for the 'Hella harness' or am I going to put something together.


Thanks much!
 
#34 ·
Recently I had a problem with one of my 'Camry' horns and was gonna replace the both of them just in case. I couldn't use the Hella horns because the wiring harness wasn't compatible with the Toyota harness/plug. Fortunately I fixed the 'broken' horn by removing and inspecting both of them - there was water in the bell of the lowest mounted horn. I reinstalled it with the bell facing 180 degrees down and it works as good as new.

Bottom line, if you're gonna go through the hassle of dismantling parts from the front of your vehicle, i.e., grill, bumper, etc. then why not install 'plug-n-play' Toyota horns (Camry model) instead and avoid the hassle of rewiring? The Camry horns fit like a glove and are loud as well.