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I wwnt to clean the idle air control and I noticed how dirty the butterfly valve and everything was so I decided to clean it all up well now the butterfly valve is sticking and won't close all the way.
Am I going to have to take it all back apart again or can I just run some seafoam through the intake?
It was such a pain to get this far.
Also would it be okay running it the way it is just for one day?


So while I was doing all that I decided to try to back flush my heater core to get my heat working and it's not working will a coolant flush work or is it just a waste of time?
This is my second time brushing at the first time I flushed it all kinds of brown stuff came out but nothing came out this time.
I called two different shops one shop says you needed use a high pressure hose and the other shop was saying no don't use it high pressure hose it'll blow gaskets and stuff and that they only use a water hose.
Any input on that?


Thanks for the help

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The following is a guide, I have no idea of your mechanical skills, tools available, etc. I take no responsibility if something goes awry.

On the sticking throttle body, check that the throttle cable is installed properly and lube the cable. You can disconnect the throttle cable and see if the throttle body still sticks, if does, spray some Seafoam in there to try to clean it up.

Radiator Flush:

WARNINGS:
Radiator coolant is very toxic and animals love it so catch and dispose of it properly.
The coolant system when hot is under a lot of pressure, if you open the cap you are likely to get badly burned so just don't do it.

CAUTIONS
Using a power washer to pressurize the system may cause damage, you were warned
Doing all of this and reusing hoses that over three years old is a waste
When there is only water in the system if temps drop below freezing you are likely to damage your engine and coolant system


Things you need
- Anti freeze, 2 gallons - I use Prestone Concentrate and not the 5 year stuff - antifreeze becomes acidic after three years and should be replaced regardless of what that 5 year stuff says
- Radiator flush and cleaner - I usually use Prestone
- Distilled water about 6 gallons
- Now would be a good time to replace your radiator and heater hoses if they are over 3 years old or you have no idea how old they are
- Replace thermostat, I use only genuine Toyota here because I haven't found an aftermarket thermostat that works properly. The Toyota thermostat has a larger valve to let more coolant through and it has a weep hole that must be positioned so it is up when installing.
- Replace the coolant reservoir to radiator hose, I believe it is 6mm
- New radiator cap

As for flushing that pesky clogged heater core, is the heater on in the car when you flush it, if not you aren't flushing the heater core on most cars.
1) Make sure your climate controls are in the heat position
2) Drain the coolant into a basin don't forget to drain the coolant reservoir
3) Disconnect the heater hoses
4) Stick a water hose into or at least up against one side of one of the hoses until the water comes out clean, if it won't flush, pour as much vinegar or you can use some radiator flush into the core as you can get to go in and let it sit about 20 minutes or so, retry the flush procedure from both hoses. If it won't budge you can try a power washer without a nozzle on it. The worst you can do at this point is make it leak, if it is so clogged it won't open without the pressure washer, you have nothing to lose because your alternative is a new heater core anyway.
5) Repeat from the opposite direction to ensure the core is back flushed, the water must come out clean
6) Put your hoses back on, or better yet install new hoses, heater core flush is complete

Now back to the rest of the coolant system
1) Refill coolant system with only fresh water
2) Add a bottle of a quality radiator flush, I prefer Preston but it's up to you.
3) Take a nice long drive at least 30 minutes to an hour with the heater on.
4) Let it cool down, remember you no longer have any anti-freeze in there so if you are in a cold climate don't let it freeze
5) Drain again
6) Refill with clean water
7) Now let's go on another 30 minute or so drive with the heater on
8) Let it cool again
9) Drain again, if the water isn't clear, repeat the engine flush.

Now to flush the engine
1) Make sure that heater is still on
2) Remove the thermostat, on the RAV4 you will have to remove the oil filter to get to one of the bolts
3) Put the thermostat housing back on without a thermostat, it may leak a little but that's okay
4) Replace the oil filter
5) Remove the lower radiator hose at the radiator
6) Remove the upper hose at the radiator
7) Using your water hose with a rag wrapped around the end to act as a makeshift seal, insert into the upper hose
8) Run the water until it comes out clean
9) Repeat steps 22 and 23 using the lower hose
10) Reconnect the upper and lower radiator hose to the radiator

Now it's the radiators turn
1) Disconnect both hoses from the engine
2) Flush the radiator following the steps 22 through 24
3) Install the new thermostat, remember you will have to remove the oil filter, so now wouldn't be a bad time to do an oil change if it's due
4) Reinstall your radiator hoses or better yet your new hoses

And last but not least the coolant reservoir flush
1) Disconnect the hose to the radiator and drain
2) Fill with hot water and using a long handled brush stick it in there and scrub her clean. You can use some vinegar if needed. A power washer can help as well, put on a wide spray.
3) Replace the old deteriorated reservoir hose

Now to flush the city water with all it's minerals out of the system
1) Fill the system with only distilled water (capacity is 8.5 quarts)
2) Take on a short drive or let it idle with the heat on for at least 20 minutes
3) Let cool and drain.

Now to refill. As you are refilling you can burp the radiator hoses by squeezing them. Remember the capacity is 8.5 qts but you won't get that much in there because the heater core and parts of the engine will retain some of the distilled water
1) Put in 4.5 quarts of antifreeze
2) Fill with distilled water until very nearly full, this is because when you run the engine it will burp the system and the air bubbles will waste your new antifreeze.
3) Put a 50/50 mix into the coolant reservoir until it reaches just above the cold line.
4) Run the engine, heater on, and with the radiator cap off to allow it to warm up and burp itself, keep topping it off until you can see the water circulating in the radiator
5) Put the cap back on and take it for a test run, keep an eye on the temperature gauge. After the drive check the coolant level in the reservoir it may have gone down as the engine finished burping and pulled more coolant in. Recheck after driving for a few days.

Wow, I know that is long, detailed, and a lot of steps but, depending on how bad your cooling system is it may very well need it. And I know a lot of people will shake their heads and say all of this isn't necessary, and on a system that is properly maintained and not clogged anywhere I would say yes but on a poorly maintained system with clogs this will usually fix them unless the only way is new parts.

Another point, on my car the temperature gauge had slowly moved upward towards the big H and so I replaced my radiator and upgraded the cooling fans and now her temps are better than when I bought her.

One last word of wisdom, Mobile One is your friend, the engine lubrication system also goes a long way towards cooling the engine, not going into all the details here but synthetics are let's just say slippier that conventional oils, don't break down under heat, won't foam, and stays on the parts when the engine is left sitting for a while. In extreme cold climates it is the only way to go as oil gets too thick to properly lubricate the engine. Okay, I know I didn't use a lot of scientific terms here but I just wanted to state my case.

Let me know if this helps at all.
 
Another tip, take that empty gallon container of antifreeze and using some of the leftover antifreeze and distilled water make up a 50/50 mix and keep that around for topping off the coolant. Make sure you label it well so you know it is a mix. I keep a gallon of this in my car at all times.
 
Discussion starter · #4 ·
Thanks so much for all the details.
The butterfly valve isn't closing all the way. So it's sticking before it can close. I think whenever I cleaned it I may have left a little bit behind before where it seats.
So really it just idles high around 1000 RPMs and when I am driving and I let off the gas it'll fall but once he gets to 2,000 RPMs it slows down quite a bit and takes a bit to get to 1,000 RPMs.
I plan on taking it all back apart tomorrow however I really need to go some places today hopefully it's safe to drive?

I have tried flushing the heater core 2 times. The first time I stuck the water hose up to there and it didn't really have a good seal but the second time I found an old water hose and cut it to where I can slide it over that heater core hose and connected straight to the water hose and not have any leaking.
This time I guess I'll have to try the vinegar method. If that doesn't work then I will try the radiator flush solution. I saw a video on YouTube where a guy was using lime away.
When I was done back flushing the heater core actually blow into the water hose and blow all the water out.

I noticed that the coolant reservoir had a bunch of brown nasty stuff in it and I rinsed it out really good.
However when I look down through the radiator cap it's all green in the radiator doesn't look all rusted.

Prestone is the way that I went anyways. I got Prestone radiator flush and Prestone coolant.


Let's go back to the heater core. Do I really have to discharge the air conditioning system if I need to replace the heater core?
I don't know how much they will charge the discharge yet I could probably fill it up myself couldn't I?
I don't know how much it takes but I know some of them come with gauges that will tell you when it's full.


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High idle is a sign of vacuum leaks, check your vacuum hoses. It can also be from an improperly installed throttle cable. I cannot think of anything that would so gum up a throttle body and I've seen some pretty ugly ones that it would stick open.

Lime Away makes sense after all you are trying to remove a lot of crud buildup, which is also what the vinegar is supposed to do but Lime Away will probably be better at it. . Again, you can also try a power washer, just don't use the spray nozzle if possible.

Yes, unfortunately I believe that you do have to discharge the AC. But first, eliminate all the other possibilities. See the viseod below.

You said that you could blow water out through the heater core, then it's now blocked. Are you sure you have a thermostat installed or that it may be stuck open, that is their designed mode of failure, to stick in the open position. One point of reference is how high on the temperature gauge does your needle usually go? It should go roughly half way up, if it isn't you have a thermostat problem. There are other things it could be, like the door flap, can you hear it open and close when you turn the heater on and off?

BTW, this is why you never put anything but distilled water and a quality antifreeze in your coolant system. And, you will hear some people say that you can only use the expensive Toyota stuff, not true, I've been running Prestone for years and never had a problem.

 
Discussion starter · #6 ·
Whenever it does the high idle I can go and push the throttle over to where the butterfly closes more at stops.
The throttle cable is really loose it's been loose for a while I've been meaning to replace it. I tightened up the tensioning so it's not as terrible as it was.

The temperature stays where it should if the thermostat was stuck open it wouldn't get hot and if it was stuck shut it would overheat. If I wind up doing a coolant flush I will replace the thermostat.
Whenever I turn the heat on and it goes cold the outlet in the heater core is cold.
I turn it back off and it gets hot again.

I got the codes ran again and now it's throwing up an EGR code and idle air control code is still there I just did the spray in method I was trying to take it apart and stripped screws.
I'm going to go try to find replacements tomorrow.
I know the vacuum lines aren't all that great I really need to replace them all but the hose that goes from the idle air control into the crankcase that's going to be hell to get to I really want to pull the intake off and clean it it's entirely black.


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If you pull the intake do the following:
1) Pull the fuel rail, test and clean the fuel injectors while you are there. YouTube has several good videos on cleaning fuel injectors out of the engine. When you put the fuel rail back on you will need new upper and lower fuel injector seals. Don't lose the fuel rail spacers.
2) Move the EGR VSV to the firewall, if you ever have to work on it you'll be glad you did.
3) Again if 4x4, remove and replace the vacuum lines going to the 4x4 actuator. It is a bundle, be careful that you know where to put them back, they MUST go back as you removed them. Take the rubber shroud off the old lines and put it on your new ones if in good shape, if not get a thermal wrap and loosely wrap them to prevent them from chaffing and getting against something hot.
4) Brake cleaner does a better job cleaning the intake manifold and throttle body than anything else I tried, be careful it will destroy rubber, paint, etc.
 
"Whenever it does the high idle I can go and push the throttle over to where the butterfly closes more at stops." That is a classic vacuum hose issue.
 
Discussion starter · #11 · (Edited)
Replace them one and all, there really aren't that many and other than the ones going to the 4x4 actuator and the EGR VSV, most aren't that difficult to replace, just do them one at a time. See my thread http://www.rav4world.com/forums/94-...-i-y-modifications/255961-vacuum-line-replacement-high-temp-silicone-lines.html
I really think that there is 3 that is my main issue. One will be easy but these two (pictured) I don't even know where they go.
I have looked at your diagrams and I just honestly can't make sense of it I have autism and those diagrams just I don't know I just can't process them.
All the other diagrams I've looked at don't really show the throttle body.
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I really don't I want to have to wait to order nice silicone tubing so I'm just going to get some standard old vacuum tubing for the time being

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That hose with the arrow is the head breather hose, it goes from a nipple on the head just forward of and below the throttle body and it runs to the to the air box hose.

The just hose above it is obvious where it runs.

The hose above it running toward your arrow goes to the evap canister.
 
I may have made a mistake about that first hose I talked about. I'm going to run over to the house shortly and I will take a closer look and some pictures and post them.
 
Discussion starter · #15 ·
Okay, the 97 and earlier throttle body is different from the 98 99 ones. Mine doesn't have the hose with an arrow. I found a link but it seems to be a ventilation hose and isn't connected to anything at the bottom.

See the other link http://www.rav4world.com/forums/94-...4-4-1-d-i-y-modifications/85347-help-me-identify-throttle-body-hose-please.html
What about that hose coming from the idle air controller I know that hose is preformed.
I need to try to find a part number so I can get it ordered.


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Okay, now I see the second photo. The two outside are coolant lines and the center one on my 99 RAV4 runs to a nipple under the intake manifold see the photo below. This is the back side of the engine and the side where the transaxle bolts on.

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Any vacuum tubing will work, they may have a silicone option usually black, go with that.

Happy Thanksgiving, I hope some of this helps.
 
I replaced those preformed hoses, well actually all of them, and did not use preformed hoses and all went together without difficulty. I used some larger hoses over the actual hoses in places as chaffing pads. The only hoses that are preformed on mine are radiator hoses and the power steering specialized ones. I made my own transaxle cooling hoses at a great cost savings over the OE ones, see http://www.rav4world.com/forums/94-...-d-i-y-modifications/245377-making-your-own-manual-transaxle-cooling-hoses.html.
 
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