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Hello, all.

My wife has been interested in a Rav4 for a time now, and today we finally had the chance to drive a 2020 FWD model.

In all honesty, we both came away a little underimpressed. Thought I'd solicit some opinions.

While I realize they crank up the RPM's to make that little 4-banger put out the power, I was more than a little aghast to see the thing hit close to 6000RPM just accelerating to highway speed! Good heavens, I thought it was because the sales guy who followed us along put the thing in "Turbo" mode when my wife drove it, but when I took my turn and put it back to "Normal" it did essentially the same thing. How long to they expect those little engines to last if they're hitting that kind of RPM in what I would consider fairly normal acceleration? Have these engines been in service long enough to get a feel for how well they're going to hold up long term?

Both of us felt that, despite the high RPMs, the thing still seemed underpowered. Not badly, but enough to notice. Now, in fairness, we're comparing it to a 12-year-old Sienna with a 2GR-FE 6Cyl that has just purred for 138K miles, so I know it won't have that kind of power...but I was expecting more than I got. Anyone else feel the same way?

Lastly, one thing I did not know was that (at least in the model we drove), the PCM shuts down the engine when stopped at an intersection, and then just restarts it on acceleration. Yes, I know you can turn that (annoying) feature off, but I'd prefer to disable it permanently. Anyone do that? Can it be programmed out?

Whenever we "drop the hammer," it will be my wife's daily driver, so its more important to please her than me, but she seemed genuinely disappointed to me - and she's been looking at Rav4's at least casually for a while now. We're starting to think more about going back a few years and looking at a used Highlander, preferably pre 2GR-FKS, in the alternative. Any thoughts? Am I/are we being too picky?

Thanks for any feedback.

-sd
 
You are on point with the performance. The gas RAV is slowest in it's class. It's mated to the 8-speed transmission to squeeze MPG. Other same class competitors will utilize a turbo charger for power and CVT for gas mileage. It's one of the better naturally aspirated four cylinder, but it is still 184 torque, at I don't want to wait for the rpm's.

Guess, I am a light foot. My normal acceleration shifts at a little less than 3.5k 2.2k rpm.

For you (or wife), seriously consider the RAV Hybrid. The electric motors gives instant torque on the low end, so a little more in line to what you are used to with V6 power. A V6 Highlander will not get the same gas mileage. It's still a compromise today, so that is why look into the RAV Hybrid.
 
I drove a regular 2020 RAV4 FWD for about a week while my 2020 RAV4 Hybrid was in the shop. I didn't like the regular RAV4. It seemed like it was noisier, shifting was very noticeable, less performance, mediocre gas mileage. Test drive the hybrid version................
 
From stoplights, my Rav barely sees more than 2,000 RPM, and maybe 3000 or so at onramps....

If you feel the need for that kind if acceleration during everyday driving, you probably need something else. I've heard neat things about the Porsche Cayenne ad BMW X5 ;) . More truthfully, you went from mid-7s 0-60 times with your Sienna to low-8s 0-60 with the non-hybrid Ravs. Neither were fast, but what you were probably perceiving is the longer torque curve of the smaller engine coupled with the delayed throttle response of modern eco cars.

I absolutely expect my Rav to go an easy 200k miles. Normally I would say an occasional approach to Redline won't hurt anything. However, if screaming RPMs on a regular basis are in you're Rav's future, I am honestly not so sure you won't have more trouble than I'd otherwise expect from a Toyota powertrain.

I do agree, the Hybrid may resolve a lot of these sentiments. Still, if you are really demanding 200+ horsepower with your foot, the engine ain't gonna do it at an RPM you'll like.
 
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Well, the RPMs we we're seeing weren't at unusual speeds or with a lead foot. My wife is a tepid driver and the high RPMs even startled her. It just seemed the tranny was itching to pop that puppy high. As for the hybrids, I'll go Highlander V6 gas before any hybrid. Just not interested in the battery expense.
 
Suggest having a look at the highly rated Kia Telluride, for example. For about $32K one can have a reasonably equipped one with 291HP V6, 5000 lbs.towing capacity. AWD is about 1K more. Or one can consider other makes as well.
 
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Well, the RPMs we we're seeing weren't at unusual speeds or with a lead foot. My wife is a tepid driver and the high RPMs even startled her. It just seemed the tranny was itching to pop that puppy high. As for the hybrids, I'll go Highlander V6 gas before any hybrid. Just not interested in the battery expense.
I was in that camp before I test drove a Hybrid Rav4. It feels just like my mom's 2017 Sienna, only smaller.

Also, that excuse for battery expense is nonsense these days. Toyota has been in the hybrid game for 20+ years, and they extended the warranties on the hybrid battery for 10 years. If anything, I can see the current gen hybrid vehicles outlasting the regular petrol ones because of the lack of stress on the engine itself.

Adding on: If you have the time, really test out the hybrid Rav. I honestly think you'll be pleasantly surprised.
 
Well, the RPMs we we're seeing weren't at unusual speeds or with a lead foot. My wife is a tepid driver and the high RPMs even startled her. It just seemed the tranny was itching to pop that puppy high. As for the hybrids, I'll go Highlander V6 gas before any hybrid. Just not interested in the battery expense.
Perhaps it is all relative. Bottom line, though: if the power you (or your wife) demanded required the computer to think it needed 6k+ RPMs, and you considered that a normal amount of acceleration, then a non-hybrid Rav is probably not for you.
 
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You are on point with the performance. The gas RAV is slowest in it's class. It's mated to the 8-speed transmission to squeeze MPG. Other same class competitors will utilize a turbo charger for power and CVT for gas mileage. It's one of the better naturally aspirated four cylinder, but it is still 184 torque, at I don't want to wait for the rpms.

Guess, I am a light foot. My normal acceleration shifts at a little less than 3.5k rpm.

For you (or wife), seriously consider the RAV Hybrid. The electric motors gives instant torque on the low end, so a little more in line to what you are used to with V6 power. A V6 Highlander will not get the same gas mileage. It's still a compromise today, so that is why look into the RAV Hybrid.
Thanks for the feedback. I'm really not into the hybrids, so I think we're either going to have to decide if we live with the lower power, or look to something with a V6 like a Highlander. Not sure what we're gonna do - we're in "want" mode more than "need" right now, so we can consider our options, but I don't think there's any question we came away at least a little disappointed with the RAV4.
Perhaps it is all relative. Bottom line, though: if the power you (or your wife) demanded required the computer to think it needed 6k+ RPMs, and you considered that a normal amount of acceleration, then a non-hybrid Rav is probably not for you.
I don't know what to think. As I said, my wife is a tepid driver (very tepid, in fact) and is the last person to punch a vehicle hard. But I know what I saw on the tach, and I know she was disappointed in the power.

Maybe we need to drive another one and try it again. I want to be fair and give it every fair opportunity.

I certainly appreciate everyone's additional perspectives on the hybrids, but, again, I'm just not interested.

We're going to continue to research and evaluate options. At the moment, we're taking a harder look at things like modestly used V6 Highlanders. Besides, that's also something I know I can work on should the need arise, as I have on our Sienna (do all my own maintenance, brakes, even replaced a steering rack). My overarching preference is for a Toyota, because our experience with them has been nothing short of stellar. Although I'd at least consider a Kia, I'm not sure they're intended to go as long as I'd like - we keep vehicles 12-15 years. Then again, I'm not sure any vehicle these days is intended to go that long LOL.

Thanks again for all the input.
 
After owning/driving a Toyota with the 3.5l no four banger (short of turbocharged) will satisfy. The current 2.5l I4 has been in production since 2009. No major problems and longevity is in the hundreds of thousands of miles category. Would I trade my '08 V-6 Limited for a brand new 2020 RAV 4 banger? Nope, not even for a no money exchange.

Look for something else or suffer buyer's remorse. Mind you the RAV4 is an excellent vehicle, top seller, reliable, and the majority love it. Some of us just can't deal with a four cylinder engine. I've had many but they were 5 speed sticks so that helped a lot.
 
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The 2020 RAV is a powerhouse compared to the 2001 RAV I used to own, I'm sure that thing is still running. Not sure how you kept regularly seeing 6k RPM.
Me, neither. That's kinda my point. I never expected to see that kind of RPM. Makes me wonder if the one we drove was, somehow, not quite "right." My wife is a schoolteacher, not a dragracer, so as long as she was happy with it, that was fine with me. But I could sense her disappointment, and my jaw dropped when I saw that tach spin up. As I said, maybe we need to drive another one.
 
Me, neither. That's kinda my point. I never expected to see that kind of RPM. Makes me wonder if the one we drove was, somehow, not quite "right." My wife is a schoolteacher, not a dragracer, so as long as she was happy with it, that was fine with me. But I could sense her disappointment, and my jaw dropped when I saw that tach spin up. As I said, maybe we need to drive another one.
I know you are against a hybrid car but the power is smooth, instant, and quiet. It does not even have a Tach as the system tries to keep the Revs low. I have a 2010 Prius with no issues whatsoever. In fact, most Taxi companies use Toyota hybrids. You seem to like cars, no harm in at least test driving a hybrid Rav.
 
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After owning/driving a Toyota with the 3.5l no four banger (short of turbocharged) will satisfy. The current 2.5l I4 has been in production since 2009. No major problems and longevity is in the hundreds of thousands of miles category. Would I trade my '08 V-6 Limited for a brand new 2020 RAV 4 banger? Nope, not even for a no money exchange.

Look for something else or suffer buyer's remorse. Mind you the RAV4 is an excellent vehicle, top seller, reliable, and the majority love it. Some of us just can't deal with a four cylinder engine. I've had many but they were 5 speed sticks so that helped a lot.
Awesome feedback. Thanks.
 
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Yea i have a awd 2020 rav4 le and i never seen 6k rpm unless i floor it. Getting onto the highway maybe like 3k to 4k and once there its like 2k steady or less. Are you sure you didn't maybe push it over into manual and it stay in one gear?
Surely wouldn't think both my wife and I would have done that on the same test drive. As I mentioned, my wife is a tepid driver and the "rev up" on the tach even startled her. If it had been just me, yeah, I might have inadvertently lead-footed it. But she drove it first.

That's why we're considering driving an entirely different one to see if our experience was just a one-off/bad example.
 
Maybe we need to drive another one and try it again. I want to be fair and give it every fair opportunity.

I certainly appreciate everyone's additional perspectives on the hybrids, but, again, I'm just not interested.
May be worthwhile to rent a RAV4 for a day or so to fully test or perhaps the dealer will loan one for a day. Definitely need more than one test drive.

Also, I did not see mentioned about modes. If you were in the Sport Mode, may have been the cause of high RPMs.

The 2.5L is a proven engine that should provide long term reliability. My opinion is the gas RAV4 power train is the most reliable in its class.

Share your opinion on Hybrids. EVs are the future and preferred by many but venture over to the Hybrid Forum (link below) and you will see they are not without fault. (regular battery issues, fuel tank issues)

(btw, Hook 'Em) :)

4.5 Rav4 Electric Hybrid
 
Would you mind elaborate on what is wrong with the hybrid and why are you against it?
I am currently planning to upgrade from my 2010 Forester to either 2020/2021 Forester sport or 2020/2021 RAV4 hybrid.
So interested in other people POV.
 
Would you mind elaborate on what is wrong with the hybrid and why are you against it?
I am currently planning to upgrade from my 2010 Forester to either 2020/2021 Forester sport or 2020/2021 RAV4 hybrid.
So interested in other people POV.
Question for me or the OP, both ? Just a personal opinion. As mentioned, Hybrids/.EVs are the future. I just trust and prefer the gas models.

Lot of discussion in this forum and elsewhere on the 'net. May want to use the search bar at top for different threads on the subject and visit the Hybrid Forum. Ppl that prefer the gas model are likely in the minority.
 
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