With technology always improving (hopefully!), what are everyone's thoughts on the Premium JBL System with Apple Car Play VS, The same upgraded system with "Dynamic Navigations"??? To keep the DN "up-to-date", I know it goes to subscription after 3 years. But, is Dynamic Navigation worth it???? Would love to know what people think, especially those in '21 or '22 Rav4 models. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
2022 Navigation, Apple Car Play vs. Dynamic Navigation????
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With technology always improving (hopefully!), what are everyone's thoughts on the Premium JBL System with Apple Car Play VS, The same upgraded system with "Dynamic Navigations"??? To keep the DN "up-to-date", I know it goes to subscription after 3 years. But, is Dynamic Navigation worth it???? Would love to know what people think, especially those in '21 or '22 Rav4 models. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
I like having GPS built in but, Toyota’s is not great I must say. If I want the most accurate directions then I use Google Maps.
Very recent example, I tried using the Toyota GPS to navigate to a marijuana store in Maine, not far from here. The Toyota system did not recognize the name or address of the store. When I punched in the address manually it changed it to something it did recognize. Google knew exactly what and where the store was. Not very ”Dynamic”. It’s fine for basic navigation but, if you’re paying for it, it should not be this bad.
Very recent example, I tried using the Toyota GPS to navigate to a marijuana store in Maine, not far from here. The Toyota system did not recognize the name or address of the store. When I punched in the address manually it changed it to something it did recognize. Google knew exactly what and where the store was. Not very ”Dynamic”. It’s fine for basic navigation but, if you’re paying for it, it should not be this bad.
This has been my experience too. I also use Google Maps.
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I don't like "clutter" while driving so built in Nav is nice and I love the turns showing on the MID.
However it looks like on the '22s it has been bundled with a bunch of unnecessary crap for $3k more. I will renew mine when the 3 years are up, but I wouldn't get it added on to a '22.
However it looks like on the '22s it has been bundled with a bunch of unnecessary crap for $3k more. I will renew mine when the 3 years are up, but I wouldn't get it added on to a '22.
When we’re talking about “renewing” navigation after 3 years, the GPS will still work, correct? There’ll just be no traffic data, perhaps?
That’s how it is on our Outback after the free trial. Traffic was supplied by SiriusXM. I let the trial expire but it’s still got maps loaded and working.
That’s how it is on our Outback after the free trial. Traffic was supplied by SiriusXM. I let the trial expire but it’s still got maps loaded and working.
Ditch Toyota nav. Sometimes too slow, weird routes, destination times longer by a LOT even when the route is the same in Apple. Just use whatever your phone has.
You can search for my post about wireless CarPlay that makes it even better.
You can search for my post about wireless CarPlay that makes it even better.
The dynamic navigation was introduced for the RAV4 with the 2021 model year. Those who have 2019 or 2020 RAV4s do not have dynamic navigation.
The way that the dynamic navigation system works is that there is one set of map data that is installed in the car, but, when you want to enter a new destination, before giving you directions, the system searches the cloud to see if there is any updated map information or traffic information, and, if there is, the system uses that updated information to determine the directions that it gives.
Once your 3 year free trial ends, you have 3 choices. You can pay for a subscription that will allow the dynamic navigation to continue working. You can pay for a map update that will install a new/updated version of the map data in your car. If you chose to do that, the new data will be used to set the system's route, and it will not check with the cloud to see if there are any new updates. Or, you can just let the dynamic navigation system expire and pay nothing. If you do that, the system will revert back to the map data version that was installed in the car when it was built, and it will operate just like navigation systems have operated for the last 20 years or so with whatever map versions were installed when the car was built.
Also, I believe that traffic information comes via HD radio station signals. If there are no HD radio stations where you are driving, traffic information will not be available.
Cool, that’s fine by me. It’s realistically difficult to avoid navigation these days IF you’re interested in the upper trims. You can order custom and avoid the nav but I don’t typically want to wait that long.
I am away from my car for a few days, so I cannot verify, but I do not believe that is correct. I have a 2020 RAV4h Limited and I think I have dynamic nav.
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I think it depends on what option package you might have. I have a '19 Limited loaded with every package and my navigation will route me around closures and accidents in real time.
You could be right. I thought that the 2021s were the first year with dynamic navigation in the RAV4, but I could well be mistaken.
Hi, I started this thread, and your response REALLY caught my eye. I have a '22 XSE on "order", and I requested all the option packages, as well. I want to make sure I understand your comments...My understanding is you have the upgraded JBL system, of course the standard Apple/Android Carplay, AND also Dynamic Navigation.. Is that correct? It sounds like you use the Dynamic Navigation, and find it quite useful????? That's my real question....Is it worth it to be a stickler about getting "Dynamic Navigation"??? Sorry to be so lengthy....I just want to be sure I have the proper understanding. Thank you!!!
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Have I found it useful? In 21k+ miles over 2.8 years, perhaps a half dozen times. And when I took its suggestions, I'll never know how much time and aggravation I saved as I wasn't on the route they said was affected. Could have been hours.
With the XSE in the US, as I read the online configurator, you want "premium audio with dynamic navigation free for 3 years". That seems to come only in the $4080 package called XSE Advanced Grade Technology Package with options or above.
I can confirm that we have the dynamic navigation in our 2019 Limited. It was part of a package that we chose because it had other stuff that we wanted. If the dynamic navigation was offered on a stand alone basis we would not have taken it.
Despite having Dynamic Nav, we use google maps on one of our phones because we like the detail and clarity of their maps. Therefore we will not pay when the 3 years run out in April. If we has Android Auto we would use that as we do with our other vehicle.
Despite having Dynamic Nav, we use google maps on one of our phones because we like the detail and clarity of their maps. Therefore we will not pay when the 3 years run out in April. If we has Android Auto we would use that as we do with our other vehicle.
I'll just echo what others have said…
The dynamic navigation feature is sufficient, but that's about it. A mobile phone app projected over CarPlay or Android will always be superior in map quality, map completeness, and their ability to continual improve. The software that's installed on your RAV4 is unlikely to ever change with any software update; any updates will be just to fix bugs. Even IF a new dynamic navigation software update were made available by Toyota, it is not an easy install for most people, of whom many will have to go to a dealer for the update. The navigation apps on our phones are continually being updated. I tried the built-in navigation in my 2021 RAV4 Prime XSE (with the premium package) for about an hour on my first day as I was driving it back from my pickup point. It did its job, but is about five years behind Waze. I haven't used it since.
If I could have opted out of the dynamic navigation, I would have and just saved the money for 5 or 6 future phone upgrades. Auto manufactures act like their navigation solutions are gifts from the gods for what they charge.
The dynamic navigation feature is sufficient, but that's about it. A mobile phone app projected over CarPlay or Android will always be superior in map quality, map completeness, and their ability to continual improve. The software that's installed on your RAV4 is unlikely to ever change with any software update; any updates will be just to fix bugs. Even IF a new dynamic navigation software update were made available by Toyota, it is not an easy install for most people, of whom many will have to go to a dealer for the update. The navigation apps on our phones are continually being updated. I tried the built-in navigation in my 2021 RAV4 Prime XSE (with the premium package) for about an hour on my first day as I was driving it back from my pickup point. It did its job, but is about five years behind Waze. I haven't used it since.
If I could have opted out of the dynamic navigation, I would have and just saved the money for 5 or 6 future phone upgrades. Auto manufactures act like their navigation solutions are gifts from the gods for what they charge.
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If I may add my 2 cents worth on this.
I was torn on Navigation when I made my purchase as well. Here is the points I came up with
My experience with Navigation systems, whether it’s the built in type or the “Garmin/portable” type is the same. The navigation is only as accurate as your subscription is.
My 10 yr old portable one tells me real-time stuff, and hasn’t been updated in years. Traffic, Speed limits and Construction are always on the ball. I probably don’t have every road, street etc that it should, but it still works. However, I find in larger cities, that going into a downtown core with high rises, navigation quits as it relies on “line of site” to the satellites. This is a huge pain in a place you are unfamiliar with. But this isn’t going to cost you roaming data or data in general.
On the flip side of things, I’ve never had my cellular service quit in these same cores. But this can use up precious data. Only time I will lose service is in mountainous areas or very open areas that are just generally not serviced well with cellular towers.
So my point is, if you have unlimited or tons of cellular data, a good charging cable and a supported phone, leave Navigation at the factory. If you travel internationally then maybe consider a portable one for $200.
Navigation on a vehicle is only as good as it’s programming and most OEM ones aren’t very good map wise or even have voice recognition issues.
I was torn on Navigation when I made my purchase as well. Here is the points I came up with
My experience with Navigation systems, whether it’s the built in type or the “Garmin/portable” type is the same. The navigation is only as accurate as your subscription is.
My 10 yr old portable one tells me real-time stuff, and hasn’t been updated in years. Traffic, Speed limits and Construction are always on the ball. I probably don’t have every road, street etc that it should, but it still works. However, I find in larger cities, that going into a downtown core with high rises, navigation quits as it relies on “line of site” to the satellites. This is a huge pain in a place you are unfamiliar with. But this isn’t going to cost you roaming data or data in general.
On the flip side of things, I’ve never had my cellular service quit in these same cores. But this can use up precious data. Only time I will lose service is in mountainous areas or very open areas that are just generally not serviced well with cellular towers.
So my point is, if you have unlimited or tons of cellular data, a good charging cable and a supported phone, leave Navigation at the factory. If you travel internationally then maybe consider a portable one for $200.
Navigation on a vehicle is only as good as it’s programming and most OEM ones aren’t very good map wise or even have voice recognition issues.
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