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DrDre

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Hi Fellas

Short Description if you don't wanna read my whole story: Rings stuck and/or glazed wall/ oil starvation= Need rebuild.

Hi guys, I have a 2004 rav4 4x4 with manual transmission, the winter package and torsen rear differential with currently about 240 000 Km (150 000 Miles) on the clock. I love the thing, it's great but it's always had that famous 2AZ-FE oil consumption issue, which until recently wasn't too much of an issue. I would just top it off once or twice a month no problemo.

Then I lent it out to a friend, you know where this is going... I told him to keep in mind the oil level and check it once in awhile, then I met up with him 1500 miles later on a road trip. I drove it and recognized immediately the lack of power, so pulled the dipstick and it was dry. I'm gonna be completely honest here, I'm taking 100% of the blame because I should've made sure he understood to check it every fill and top it off on a long road trip. No use crying over spilled milk, just gotta open that wallet and fork out.
Anyways, I got the car back and noticed it chugs oil like there's no tomorrow. As in I have to top it up within a few fuel-ups. For some reason it's also using more gas than usual. I took out my handy cheap borescope and had a look into cylinder #1. Oil caked on the top of the piston. I wasn't able to see the cylinder walls to see if there they were glazed but either way I knew this was bad news. Either my rings are stuck, and/or my walls are glazed
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THE PLAN:
1) try last ditch effort to unstick the oil rings by using a chemical treatment and soaking the top cylinders. See what happens
2) Rebuild

CHOICE:
1) Rebuild current block
2) Get a shortblock from Toyota $$$
3) Find a newer version 2AZ-FE and rebuild it, insert it.
4) Option 3 (newer version)+ scion Tc Turbo kit, (thinking 200-250 HP)

QUESTIONS:
- Is it a good idea to use a newer version of the 2AZ-FE? will it just bolt up? I heard they upgraded cam profiles and added oil squirters to back of pistons (great for if I wanna turbo it)

-What year of the rav has the most HP on the 2AZ-FE? I've heard 177 rated HP but I'm having trouble identifying which year produced the max HP (mightaswell)

-Any tips to get a proper upgraded engine?
-Any tips on saving $$? I will be doing most of the labour myself ie: engine pulling and installing.
-My mechanic poo poo'd rebuilds and told me to just get a proper shortblock. Any bad experiences with rebuilds?

Any and all advice welcome
Thank you kindly
 
i would go for the toyota piston rebuild kit, normally the cyls are in mint condition but you will need to open and check.
about that turbo, i would go to supercharger if you want to get more power without breaking anything.
 
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i would go for the toyota piston rebuild kit, normally the cyls are in mint condition but you will need to open and check.
about that turbo, i would go to supercharger if you want to get more power without breaking anything.
Thank you kindly for the advice. I have considered a supercharger but I heard they're hard to come by for this engine. I will try to look for the TRD one, might be easier to bolt up.
 
The 177hp specific 2AZ-FE engines with the oil squirters and better cam shaft profiles ONLY came in 2007-2008 Rav4. This engine is a direct swap for the lower hp 2AZ-FE engines. No modifications will need to be made if you install one of these engines into your Rav. The computer will make appropriate adjustments to compensate fuel trims as well as valve and ignition timing events.

You can't supercharge or turbocharge this engine without reducing it's compression ratio. And manipulating the PCM mapping.

You can reduce the compression ratio by installing dished pistons or using thicker head gaskets or removing material from (each of) the (cylinder head) combustion chamber (surface) volume....thicker head gaskets being the most cost effective way of reducing compression.

This 2007-2008 2AZ-FE engine with 177hp has 9.8:1 compression ratio will attain 200hp simply by increasing compression to 11.0:1 Granted, you'd have to run premium gas the entire time to prevent pre ignition with this ratio.

If I wanted to do something to my Rav to increase power I would simply install 2007-2008 engine swap. If I wanted more power, than that, I'd install a 100hp wet nitrous kit and be done with it. I love nitrous. I have n2o on my jetski, my motorcycle and my Mustang. My son has 150hp nitrous set up on his Lexus. My daughter has 50hp nitrous on her first gen xB, Lol.
 
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The 177hp specific 2AZ-FE engines with the oil squirters and better cam shaft profiles ONLY came in 2007-2008 Rav4. This engine is a direct swap for the lower hp 2AZ-FE engines. No modifications will need to be made if you install one of these engines into your Rav. The computer will make appropriate adjustments to compensate fuel trims as well as valve and ignition timing events.

You can't supercharge or turbocharge this engine without reducing it's compression ratio. And manipulating the PCM mapping.

You can reduce the compression ratio by installing dished pistons or using thicker head gaskets or removing material from (each of) the (cylinder head) combustion chamber (surface) volume....thicker head gaskets being the most cost effective way of reducing compression.

This 2007-2008 2AZ-FE engine with 177hp has 9.8:1 compression ratio will attain 200hp simply by increasing compression to 11.0:1 Granted, you'd have to run premium gas the entire time to prevent pre ignition with this ratio.

If I wanted to do something to my Rav to increase power I would simply install 2007-2008 engine swap. If I wanted more power, than that, I'd install a 100hp wet nitrous kit and be done with it. I love nitrous. I have n2o on my jetski, my motorcycle and my Mustang. My son has 150hp nitrous set up on his Lexus. My daughter has 50hp nitrous on her first gen xB, Lol.

Hi Tony

Thanks alot for the advice. I hadn't considered the compression ratio issue you mentioned with the turbo, good call. I will most certainly take your advice on replacing with a higher horsepower engine from the 2007-2008 Rav. Beyond that I will have to consider how much money I want to spend on upgrades. Maybe I'll just do a port on the head and some good pipes and call it a day.

Very interesting tip on the nitrous, I have never forayed into any No2 systems before. I only said turbo because I love the sound and effect of them. They are darn expensive to do though. I will check out the Nos option and consider it. just a 50 hp kick would do wonders. Happy Holidays!
 
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