I was interested in buying the Michelin Cross Climate 2 tires since they are so well reviewed everywhere but there seems to be a supply issue. The delivery to distributors keeps getting delayed. Now Michelin is saying two more months. I am looking for recommendations for an alternate set of tires. My car has about 40k on it and we live in the Catskills. So there can be heavy snow (although this year not at all). Many thanks.
Looking for all-weather tires for 2020 Rav4 Hybrid
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I've been using Nokian tyres for many, many years ... on my 2001 Saturn SL2, 2001 Saturn SW2, 2007 Saturn Vue, 2008 Toyota Highlander Hybrid and 2018 Toyota RAV4 Hybrid. I live in Vermont and have traveled into the mountains during snowstorms (not planned!) and have had great results with these tires.
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Perhaps this might help: Hankook Kinergy 4S2 vs Michelin CrossClimate 2 | CompareTheTire
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It would if the conclusions weren't contrary to the results of the tests. Too much emphasis on inconsequential differences.
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I switched to the CrossClimate 2 and like them. Subjectively, they seem to have more grip on icy roads that my former Nokian WRG2 tires. I expect a mpg hit by switching to the Michelins. Can't go wrong with either tire. The Nokian WRG4 supposedly is better that my former WRG2 tires.
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I'm 68 years old and bought a lot of tires
The last two sets I bought were Michelin defenders, The Great All climate tires they ride better than anything I've ever had in my life and they're 80,000 mile guaranteed tires
Put them on my RAV4 and Camry both fantastic
I don't understand. What are "Great All climate tires"? Is it a Michelin tire? I'm familiar with Michelin Defender because I've had them on Tacomas I've owned and I'm thinking about getting Michelin Cross Climate 2 tires for my RAV4..
I liked the Michelin Cross Climate 2. I brought a set from Tire Rack back in 2020 to replace the original tires that came with my RAV4. I drive around 25k a year and at 30k the tread seem to be wearing out quickly. So, I contacted Tire Rack and they said they would handle the warranty work. I figure that I would get at least 50% needless to say unless I purchase another set from them, I wouldn't get that much not to mention they charged me for shipping because I wouldn't buy another set from them. The tires were great except for the tread wear.
I now have the Goodyear Assurance WeatherReady also all-weather from Toyota when it was buy 3 tires and get the 4th for $1. 60k warranty I will see. If they don't last, I might give the Bridgestone WeatherPeak a try but not through Tire Rack.
Good luck with your search.
I now have the Goodyear Assurance WeatherReady also all-weather from Toyota when it was buy 3 tires and get the 4th for $1. 60k warranty I will see. If they don't last, I might give the Bridgestone WeatherPeak a try but not through Tire Rack.
Good luck with your search.
So, I am nearly the same age, and also bought a lot of Michelins. As I reported above, I am going to get about 20K on my Michelin MXM4 Primacys (non-OEM). I rotate/balance every 5K miles, I keep them at 38psi, my wife drives like a grandma, and I get an alignment every year. I have never had such low miles with Michelins. Either Michelin has changed, or there is something going with my RAV that I don't understand.
Another competitive option is the Continental CrossContact LX25, tends to cost a little less than CrossClimate and has 10,000 miles more warranty. A feature that I like is that they have the letters D,W and S cut into a spot on the tread at different depths. The W wears off first meaning snow traction is compromised, then Wet, then Dry.
Test and survey results are almost but not quite as good as the CrossClimates.
I've had them for about 32,000 miles and they are wearing and still riding well.
Test and survey results are almost but not quite as good as the CrossClimates.
I've had them for about 32,000 miles and they are wearing and still riding well.
I’m looking to finally get new shoes for my baby. Getting rid of the Dunlops and thinking about the Falken Wildpeaks it is also an all weather AT Tire. Anybody have experience with them? Seems Michelin is a hit or miss with some people. Wife has the OEM Michelin on her XSE and they seem to be doing good.
I used the Celsius CUV tires on our Forester, and they were good in ice/snow/slush, and great during monsoon rains here in NM. They have about 50,000 miles on them and they are still well away from the wear bars. If we weren't getting an XSE we'd replace them soon anyway. We'll be picking up our 2023 XSE in March and going directly to Discount Tire and get Celsius CUV tires. They do make the 235/55 R19s, but have to be ordered.
Discount doesn't list 235/55 R19s for the Nokian WR 64s, but that doesn't mean they don't make them.
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You say they wear out. Where on the tire tread? I look at my owner's manual and I don't see a single tire specified at 38PSI cold and some as low as 33.
Not everyone but enough do that it is not an explanation for excessive tire wear. It's debatable whether that makes much difference in MPG. I tend to go about 3 pounds over just to keep the low pressure light from coming on in very cold weather.
If you are interested in the Michelin cross climate 2’s, check out this thread.
www.rav4world.com
wondering if you could order from tire rack and get them installed locally, if you need them now or soon. Maybe try Discount tire (discount tire direct.com) and see if they have them available.
Michelin CrossClimate 2 on Rav4 hybrid?
Anyone using these? I would like to switch to them and leave them on all year, I don’t have much confidence in the Primacies that are OEM during the winter. Mainly curious about how it affects fuel economy, also ride quality.
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wondering if you could order from tire rack and get them installed locally, if you need them now or soon. Maybe try Discount tire (discount tire direct.com) and see if they have them available.
I've had my eye on either the Nokian WRG4 ,the Vredestein Quatrac Pro, or the Continental CrossContact LX25 . The Vredestein seem to be better rating for being quiet and keeping the same MPG. I've had the Continental before on my Subaru. Super quiet and light.
Hi all, first post here. I've been lurking as we're considering a new Rav4 Hybrid. I have some real world experience with the Michelin CrossClimate2 that I'm glad to share. SKIP TO THE VERY BOTTOM if you want to avoid my excessive verbosity and see the pseudo-scientific MPG results of my experience with the Michelins.
We currently use a 2021 Hyundai Palisade Limited AWD as our daily driver here in the Midwest. Our driving is mostly in-town suburban miles, and we drive more than average at about 19k miles/year. The Palisade came with Bridgestone Dueler HP Sport tires, and they performed acceptably well in all conditions including mild to medium snow and ice weather (first vehicle I've had in 20 years that I didn't get snow tires.) After a few road hazard incidents, including a nail that magically penetrated the sidewall twice, I decided to get a full set of new tires at about 35k miles. I was surprised at the amount of tread left, considering the warranty was only 40k miles. I don't remember exactly, but I know it was at least 60%. I didn't want to tempt the Hyundai warranty department by having tires with different amounts of wear (essentially different sized tires) so I ended up swapping out all 4 tires for a set of CrossClimate2s.
I don't have many opportunities to find the edge of the envelope while carting kids around in a 7 passenger SUV, so I can't make too much of a conclusion regarding handling. I will occasionally get after it, say, in an empty traffic circle or elsewhere, and the grip feels pretty confident, like there is better than average handling capability. (I autocrossed and other amateur raced for years and have a decent idea what to look for when I'm feeling out tires.) They handle quite well in rain and the limited adverse weather conditions we've experienced, including speed limit driving on unplowed expressways and in town. A noticeable difference was in the noise though; the Michelins aren't silent but they are definitely quieter than the Bridgestones were (especially on that awful 6 mile stretch of I-65 between Chicago and Indianapolis). And let's be honest - they look pretty cool too.
But if you're driving a hybrid, there's a chance that all of the above takes a back seat to effect on MPG. Fortunately, I've kept track of all the fill-ups, service, and mods to all of my cars in detail, so I can make some relatively decent comparisons. Of course MPG is affected by numerous other factors, including temperature, driving style, % highway vs city, etc. So the best I can do is look at the same time period and assume the other factors are all roughly the same. FWIW, I keep tires inflated on the higher side, like 38-40 PSI. I've done this forever and have noticed no abnormal tire wear or discomfort. ANYWAY....
seasonal comparison, tires installed at ~11/15/23
11/15/22 - 2/6/23: 5334 miles, avg 20.67 mpg (CrossClimates)
11/14/21 - 2/7/22: 4145 miles, avg 20.22 mpg (Bridgestones)
I checked the miles per day between fill-ups and saw that there were 3 "road trips" over 100 miles per day in each time period, so it's a fair assumption that the increase in miles comes from the increase in city driving. I can believe that, since my kids have really stepped up the number of activities they're involved in, which means we're doing a lot of in-town kid-taxi driving. But, I can extend the date range to even out the miles, and check the MPG.
11/15/22 - 2/6/23: 5334 miles, avg 20.67 mpg (CrossClimates)
11/9/21 - 2/28/22: 5395 miles, avg 20.11 mpg (Bridgestones)
And just for fun, I'll check the closest date range I can manage starting in '20 (we bought at the very end of November)
11/28/20 - 3/24/21: 5352 miles, 20.82 mpg (Bridgestones)
Considering that the factory estimate for combined mpg on this vehicle is 21 mpg, and that we do mostly city driving, and some amount of cushion for error, I'd conclude that the Michelins made no appreciable difference in MPG, compared to what the Palisade is "supposed" to be getting.
2021 Hyundai Palisade Limited AWD, mostly city driving
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21.00: Factory Estimated MPG (Bridgestones)
20.11-20.82: Calculated MPG, 3 mo. winter (Bridgestones)
20.67: Calculated MPG, 3 mo. winter (CrossClimates)
In my experience, the Michelin CrossClimates have not substantially affected MPG, politely or negatively. This does not mean that there aren't tires that have lower rolling resistance / improve MPG.
EDIT: FYI, our annual average MPG on the Bridgestones is 21.7, which would seem to confirm much more of a variation in MPG due to weather/temperature and seasonal gas formulation change.
We currently use a 2021 Hyundai Palisade Limited AWD as our daily driver here in the Midwest. Our driving is mostly in-town suburban miles, and we drive more than average at about 19k miles/year. The Palisade came with Bridgestone Dueler HP Sport tires, and they performed acceptably well in all conditions including mild to medium snow and ice weather (first vehicle I've had in 20 years that I didn't get snow tires.) After a few road hazard incidents, including a nail that magically penetrated the sidewall twice, I decided to get a full set of new tires at about 35k miles. I was surprised at the amount of tread left, considering the warranty was only 40k miles. I don't remember exactly, but I know it was at least 60%. I didn't want to tempt the Hyundai warranty department by having tires with different amounts of wear (essentially different sized tires) so I ended up swapping out all 4 tires for a set of CrossClimate2s.
I don't have many opportunities to find the edge of the envelope while carting kids around in a 7 passenger SUV, so I can't make too much of a conclusion regarding handling. I will occasionally get after it, say, in an empty traffic circle or elsewhere, and the grip feels pretty confident, like there is better than average handling capability. (I autocrossed and other amateur raced for years and have a decent idea what to look for when I'm feeling out tires.) They handle quite well in rain and the limited adverse weather conditions we've experienced, including speed limit driving on unplowed expressways and in town. A noticeable difference was in the noise though; the Michelins aren't silent but they are definitely quieter than the Bridgestones were (especially on that awful 6 mile stretch of I-65 between Chicago and Indianapolis). And let's be honest - they look pretty cool too.
But if you're driving a hybrid, there's a chance that all of the above takes a back seat to effect on MPG. Fortunately, I've kept track of all the fill-ups, service, and mods to all of my cars in detail, so I can make some relatively decent comparisons. Of course MPG is affected by numerous other factors, including temperature, driving style, % highway vs city, etc. So the best I can do is look at the same time period and assume the other factors are all roughly the same. FWIW, I keep tires inflated on the higher side, like 38-40 PSI. I've done this forever and have noticed no abnormal tire wear or discomfort. ANYWAY....
seasonal comparison, tires installed at ~11/15/23
11/15/22 - 2/6/23: 5334 miles, avg 20.67 mpg (CrossClimates)
11/14/21 - 2/7/22: 4145 miles, avg 20.22 mpg (Bridgestones)
I checked the miles per day between fill-ups and saw that there were 3 "road trips" over 100 miles per day in each time period, so it's a fair assumption that the increase in miles comes from the increase in city driving. I can believe that, since my kids have really stepped up the number of activities they're involved in, which means we're doing a lot of in-town kid-taxi driving. But, I can extend the date range to even out the miles, and check the MPG.
11/15/22 - 2/6/23: 5334 miles, avg 20.67 mpg (CrossClimates)
11/9/21 - 2/28/22: 5395 miles, avg 20.11 mpg (Bridgestones)
And just for fun, I'll check the closest date range I can manage starting in '20 (we bought at the very end of November)
11/28/20 - 3/24/21: 5352 miles, 20.82 mpg (Bridgestones)
Considering that the factory estimate for combined mpg on this vehicle is 21 mpg, and that we do mostly city driving, and some amount of cushion for error, I'd conclude that the Michelins made no appreciable difference in MPG, compared to what the Palisade is "supposed" to be getting.
2021 Hyundai Palisade Limited AWD, mostly city driving
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21.00: Factory Estimated MPG (Bridgestones)
20.11-20.82: Calculated MPG, 3 mo. winter (Bridgestones)
20.67: Calculated MPG, 3 mo. winter (CrossClimates)
In my experience, the Michelin CrossClimates have not substantially affected MPG, politely or negatively. This does not mean that there aren't tires that have lower rolling resistance / improve MPG.
EDIT: FYI, our annual average MPG on the Bridgestones is 21.7, which would seem to confirm much more of a variation in MPG due to weather/temperature and seasonal gas formulation change.
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