Found this interesting YouTube video that compares the Toyota filter to other manufacturers' filters. Are Car Dealership Oil Filters a RIP-OFF? (Engineer tested) (youtube.com) Purolator One PL14476 Oil Filter vs. Toyota 90915 YZZF2 Oil Filter Cut Open Comparison (youtube.com)
Toyota oil filter quality and comparison to other mfg. filters
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Found this interesting YouTube video that compares the Toyota filter to other manufacturers' filters. Are Car Dealership Oil Filters a RIP-OFF? (Engineer tested) (youtube.com) Purolator One PL14476 Oil Filter vs. Toyota 90915 YZZF2 Oil Filter Cut Open Comparison (youtube.com)
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There is one more interesting video
As discussed in several earlier threads the WIX filters are very similar in their construction to the TRD filter in the video. The WIX use a significant improvement over both Toyota filters--WIX uses a helical coil spring instead of a leaf spring for the bypass. I am using the medium length WIX. Others have used the longer WIX.
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Which WIX XPs work on these cars? I put the 2024 LE in auto parts stores and only one Wix shows up
WIX 51394 XP used on the 8th gen Camry. Engines are the SAME in the 8th gen Camry and 5th gen RAV. Camry uses the LONGER 51394. There is no reason to keep using the shorter Denso YZZN1 or the equivalent shorter Wix 10332 in our RAV4s.
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Anything "dealer" is a rip-off. A dealer is a heavy retail shop. Nobody should be crying about dealer high prices. If you don't like the high price then go buy some place else.
Why does a dealer hide the "holdback" from you? Because it's a scam tactic to make you feel good you paid "only $1200 over invoice." 1200 + holdback = a lot of profit for dealer.
A dealer could sell under invoice and still be +net on the sale. Yes, a heavy retail like dealer has a bunch of overhead, that's why many like to buy used from Carvana and CarMax. I no longer like buying from dealerships.
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Getting back to the subject. Toyota oil filters for the RAV4 are in the $6 range at my dealer. That's a reasonable price. Sure, other services are a rip but the cost of the oil filter isn't. The filter are a nice quality but they have poor filter efficiency. Toyota chooses flow over filtration.
I use the Purolator Boss filter. Other good brands are the Premium Guard and the O'reilly Microguard Select. Fram boys will tell you Fram Endurance. It used to be Fram Ultra, but they changed the design for the worse.
I use the Purolator Boss filter. Other good brands are the Premium Guard and the O'reilly Microguard Select. Fram boys will tell you Fram Endurance. It used to be Fram Ultra, but they changed the design for the worse.
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Sure, but for $6 you can get a better filter.
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I order the denso filters from rock auto 3 at a time. They are like $4. I change the oil every 7,500 miles and dont think much about it. 82,000 miles strong on my 2020 R4h
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! wonder how one judges one filter better than another without running the battery of SAE oil filter tests on each in a comparative test?
Based on the visual "evaluation" I come away more impressed with the OEM Denso filter. It has much more filter media surface area (more and taller pleats). His criticism of the Denso bypass valve not having a seal between the spring and the cannister is interesting, the TRD filter doesn't have a seal there either. He did not disassemble the cartridge to show us the internal valve so how can we compare? Lastly, that TRD filter is sloppily made. Adhesive slopped on the filter media will block flow in those spots, further reducing the available filtering surface area compared to the Denso.
Based on the visual "evaluation" I come away more impressed with the OEM Denso filter. It has much more filter media surface area (more and taller pleats). His criticism of the Denso bypass valve not having a seal between the spring and the cannister is interesting, the TRD filter doesn't have a seal there either. He did not disassemble the cartridge to show us the internal valve so how can we compare? Lastly, that TRD filter is sloppily made. Adhesive slopped on the filter media will block flow in those spots, further reducing the available filtering surface area compared to the Denso.
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Get real--the true reason you or anyone else uses the ridiculous, cheap DENSO YZZN1 oil filter is because it is the official Toyota OEM part. If they had another brand and design of oil filter as the OEM then that is what YOU and others would use. No one would buy and use that YZZN1 if it was not the OEM filter.
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Funny. I don’t recall saying I used the Denso filter, you’re putting words in my mouth. All I said that was I came away from that video more impressed with the Denso product than the sloppily made TRD. Comments are limited to the video.
Well if YOU are so very impressed with the pitiable YZZN1 then why don't you use it? Also just what filter are you actually using in your 5th gen RAV?
You do realize that the TRD filter costs more than the YZZN1 and the TRD is what Toyota sells and recommends for high performance, racing and off road vehicles? It is a MUCH better design filter using metal END CAPS which are standard now days in the oil filter industry. The Denso is the only goofy, cheaply made screw-on filter in the entire world without metal end caps...with the media pleats just (hopefully) glued shut. Denso YZZN1 is a shoddy, wacky design because glue is cheaper than metal end caps.
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You’re doing it again. Do you do that to everyone? Put words in their mouth that is? I never said I was “very” impressed. The word I used was “more”.
I’ve used Denso, Fram, Mobil 1 and others. I’m not married to any particular one. We have a 3rd gen (as indicated in my sig line) with over 140,000 miles that runs well and still does not consume any oil.
What are you--some kind of "sea lion" type troll?
Not even a 5th gen owner yet you interject yourself into this forum. No more responses for you.
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Your logic is not 100% on solid ground. It all kinda depends.
In my tests, my filter is better. In your tests, your filter is better.
There's usually an ISO or ASTM or SAE standard that provides the testing criteria. But each may give different results. So it just comes down to agreeing to a standard. If two filter companie won't agree to same standard then there is no meaningful way to compare.
Lets say filter-A does SAE-1234 and ISO-5678, and filter-B does only SAE-1234, B may claim it did better in some of the SAE testing, while A claims it has great results from the ISO where B has none. Is A better than B?
What if it's just the SAE-1234, some tests for A are better, but not all tests. Do you just tally up the tests, do you weight each test with a factor and then tally the score?
What if an engine is more sensitive to bypass than another?
It's highly arbitrary in some regards, and perhaps meaningless in other regards.
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Regardless of the standard, at least it’s objective measurable data and not just a visual impression or opinion (often posted by one with no engineering training). Of coarse you obviously have to apply the same standard doing any kind of side by side comparison test. That goes without saying. There’s no flaw in that logic.Your logic is not 100% on solid ground. It all kinda depends.
In my tests, my filter is better. In your tests, your filter is better.
There's usually an ISO or ASTM or SAE standard that provides the testing criteria. But each may give different results. So it just comes down to agreeing to a standard. If two filter companie won't agree to same standard then there is no meaningful way to compare.
Lets say filter-A does SAE-1234 and ISO-5678, and filter-B does only SAE-1234, B may claim it did better in some of the SAE testing, while A claims it has great results from the ISO where B has none. Is A better than B?
What if it's just the SAE-1234, some tests for A are better, but not all tests. Do you just tally up the tests, do you weight each test with a factor and then tally the score?
What if an engine is more sensitive to bypass than another?
It's highly arbitrary in some regards, and perhaps meaningless in other regards.
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