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I stumbled across this on the NHTSA web site - the full report on the required crash worthiness test for the 5th generation hybrid. There is a huge amount of information, and many photos - both before and after the test: https://nrd-static.nhtsa.dot.gov/reports/vehdb/v10000/v10700/v10704R001.pdf
Thanks for posting. Calspan is one of the oldest vehicle crash test companies in the US. When I was practicing law I once took a deposition there. They did a lot of defense expert witness work back then for car manufacturers to prove their cars were not defective in lawsuits. The crash test you provided for the 2019 RAV is a test in one of the oldest and simplest formats. It is a direct head on crash into a fixed, immovable and impenetrable barrier--AT ABOUT 35 MPH. The wrecked car is then rolled over by a machine to show it did not leak gasoline. It may seem like the RAV suffered a lot of damage and certainly that car is TOTALLED in only a 35 MPH crash. However, that old test format was a primitive way to simulate DIFFERENTIAL SPEEDS AT TIME OF IMPACT. It tried to show and determine for example what would happen in a head on crash with one car going 60 MPH and the other going 30 MPH. Of course that test is really no good because it does not take into account the INERTIA of each moving car which results in much more severe damage and occupant injuries. The basic test format of fixed barrier crashes is now days supplemented by offset impacts, impacts into differently shaped objects and actual moving car to moving car collision tests.
 

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The crash test you provided for the 2019 RAV is a test in one of the oldest and simplest formats. It is a direct head on crash into a fixed, immovable and impenetrable barrier--AT ABOUT 35 MPH.
The NHTSA web site where I found that also has the crash test report for the side impact test and the roll over susceptibility test. I didn't cite those.
 
Would be nice to have a crash test where RAV4 collides with F150 truck in partial offset while both traveling at 50mph. As I think F150 is an example of most sold vehicle in US/Canada and chances are you are going to crash into that if anything. And partial offset is more severe and true test - most of roads in US/Canada are non divided by a barrier and that's what we usually drive on majority of our times. I'd say if you can get away alive with minor injuries after that kind of hypothetical crash - that's a huge win.
 
Would be nice to have a crash test where RAV4 collides with F150 truck in partial offset while both traveling at 50mph.
If BOTH vehicles are going 50 MPH at time of impact in a frontal offset collision then the DIFFERENTIAL SPEED AT POI IS 100 MPH!!! It is NOT a survivable collision. INERTIA is magnified when two vehicles collide while moving. The G loads on the vehicle occupants would be tremendous even with airbags--but there would probably be actual intrusion into the cabin by metallic parts that would impale or crush the occupants. A crude crash test simulation is the RAV4 hitting a solid concrete wall while going 100 MPH.
 
If BOTH vehicles are going 50 MPH at time of impact in a frontal offset collision then the DIFFERENTIAL SPEED AT POI IS 100 MPH!!! It is NOT a survivable collision. INERTIA is magnified when two vehicles collide while moving. The G loads on the vehicle occupants would be tremendous even with airbags--but there would probably be actual intrusion into the cabin by metallic parts that would impale or crush the occupants. A crude crash test simulation is the RAV4 hitting a solid concrete wall while going 100 MPH.
Well I guess we still have to go a long way until that kind of crash will be survivable.
 
Well I guess we still have to go a long way until that kind of crash will be survivable.
That type of crash MAY be survivable in NASCAR stock cars, or in Formula 1 Grand Prix cars with their unique body and chassis and roll cage construction and the special neck braces and safety gear the drivers wear. Such crashes are STILL not survivable in the World Rally Championship Rally1 hybrid supercars despite their roll cages, carbon fiber bodies and driver safety gear. Craig Breen died recently in a lower speed single car crash while testing. Bear in mind if a driver actually survives he may have catastrophic maiming and injuries and be brain damaged or a quadriplegic.
 
2024 R4P XSE. Going ~50MPH. FedEx Van ran a stop sign and hit us broadside at ~40MPH. Rav did a 360 degree roll-over, landing on the wheels. 5 airbags deployed. Pano sunroof stayed in one piece. My wife and I walked away from the accident with only minor injuries. The Rav saved our lives!!! Thank you, Toyota!
 
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