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#22 ·
Here is my earlier RAV4 all kilometers consumption after 3 year driving and 67 000 km done. Winter tyre changes are those dates that I made xeroings. After 3 years it makes 1, L/100 km which about 235 MPG. That was MY 20/9 model. Now I have model 23/9 and consumption reads now after 13 months 1,1 L/100 km.
I live in Anchorage level in Finland. I have warm carage and I use Webasto heater. I charge home with 6 kW and allmoust Zero public charging. You cant let anything out from that meter with zeroing it and all kilometers are in there. Not much differ between tyre changings, as you see. Thats my driving profile. I drive about 20-30 Tkm/ year. 4 years and 100 000 km with RAV4 Prime is done.

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kosoha said:
Here is my earlier RAV4 all kilometers consumption after 3 year driving and 67 000 km done. Winter tyre changes are those dates that I made xeroings. After 3 years it makes 1, L/100 km which about 235 MPG. That was MY 20/9 model. Now I have model 23/9 and consumption reads now after 13 months 1,1 L/100 km.
I live in Anchorage level in Finland. I have warm carage and I use Webasto heater. I charge home with 6 kW and allmoust Zero public charging. You cant let anything out from that meter with zeroing it and all kilometers are in there. Not much differ between tyre changings, as you see. Thats my driving profile. I drive about 20-30 Tkm/ year. 4 years and 100 000 km with RAV4 Prime is done.
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1.0L/km means that you very rarely drive with the engine on, maybe 1/6 of the time on average :).

Does Finland have a winter-blend gasoline?
 
#24 ·
I use 98 octane gasoline. Ive gott earlier RAV4 MY 19 normal hybrid and consumption was with that 5,3 L/100 km after 27 000 km driving. So that was summer/winter all together. RAV4 Prime model consumption is 5,8 L/100 km without charging in my driving profile. Calculating with that my el kilometers was 67000-1/5,5x67000= 54 818 km. And vehicle meter shows EL consumption 20,4 kWh/100 km. For 100 km payments that means 54 818/67000x20,4=16,7 kWh/100 km + 1,0 L/100 km gasoline. What do you say about that?
Calculate your cost to
(16,7 kWh + 1,0 L)/100 km
In my drivings RAV4 takes from wall around 4000 kWh/year. 15 c/kWh that is 600 €. Gas it eats 300 L/year and 2 €/ L thats same 600 €. So to me its 1200 € to drive 30 000 km/year with RAV4 plug in.
 
#25 ·
14v6 said:
Prime is a numbers car that has a lot of flexibility/options in how you fuel it. Heater and AC kill range. I love my Prime but IMO the one to have is the regular hybrid. It puts down some good numbers and is a workhorse. I just drove on yesterday 530 miles from Michigan to NY via Canada in a rainstorm. It's plenty fast enough for passing and hills and the instant response makes all the difference.

RAV4 Prime will shine if you want to plug it in and use it like an EV. You can use it like a regular hybrid too but there's a weight and bigger tire penalty so it's MPG's will be less but the performance is much more.
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I have 2023 Prime XSE. I drove in extreme heat but not in extreme cold. Cold was 40 degrees. Heat 114. Driving in HV made no difference because I was getting over 40mpg on freeway. EV is a different story. In the cold I was getting 3.5-4.5 miles per KWh but in the heat I got max 3 miles per KWh or way less even without AC on. I think internally car cools the battery in this temperature so it uses a lot of juice.
 
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the range has far exceeded our expectations. we live at 8200ft and drive down to 5380 and back often. the R4P seems to be extremely efficient. in driving 800 miles we have used about 1/3 of a tank of gas. the full EV range is insane. we had a full electric mini that was horrible on efficiency...if we ran the AC or heat we barely made the round trip to town and back. in the R4P we rarely use any gas on the same trip.

must have accessories: mud flaps, black overlays, cross bars, hitch (for bike rack), tint front windows to match back OEM tint, front clear guard, catalytic converter guard (had one swiping on a Tacoma-really suck and costs a fortune)
 
#27 ·
Dimitrij said:
Looking at the Fuelly data, one might be tempted to jump to the conclusion that by 2024 many RAV4 buyers may have lost interest in maximizing the benefits of both ICE and electric propulsion and just went for the power. Can't blame them; the Prime does go like a bullet if that's what the driver wants.

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I would simply not believe these numbers. If you drive 1 mile in EV and switch to HV it will show crazy mpg which is not true at all. Max mpg I got driving on roller-coaster road between 35-55 mph. Speed limit was 45 mph. I would speed up right before the bottom to 55mph so inertia would carry me to the top until 35mph. And let it coast from the top down. I got 65mpg. But that is very rare. On a flat more or less road I get 40-44mpg at 65-70mph.
 
#28 ·
lmcharlot said:
I'm getting about the same range in EV mode; 58~59 on a full charge, using EV mode exclusively on surface streets, HV mode on the freeway. Speeds in excess of about 50 mph cut the EV range to only 35 miles, and that's not efficient use of the battery. I also recommend the SE over the XSE. And if you would rather not have a glass roof, the SE is your only option. There are 3 reasons to prefer NOT having the glass roof option: (1) They inevitably start leaking rain water after about 7 years, as the seals and gaskets dry out and crack, and it's expensive and messy to replace them. (2) The Moonroof in the Rav4 reduces headroom by about 2-1/2 inches. If you are more than about 5'-11", your head will actually be in contact with the rim of the moonroof, and you don't want this, because every time the car rolls over a pothole or a speedbump, your head will hit the roof, hard. (3) They let in more heat, and the Rav4 Hybrid and Prime already have a relatively weak a/c system for the size of the vehicle. Our 2020 Corolla Hybrid has a much more effective a/c. Especially if your preferred paint color on the Rav4 is the dark grey, black, or dark blue, you really don't want the moonroof- those dark colors already make the a/c system struggle on hot summer days.
Tires: I Second the advice on the SE instead of the XSE. If you ever plan to take your Rav4 Hybrid or Prime off-pavement, you do NOT want 19" wheels. Even the 18" wheels are less than ideal. The best selection of all-terrain tires is in 16" and 17" wheel sizes, and a few in 18". The 19" XSE tires have so little rubber in the sidewalls that the car bangs over potholes like a tank. Especially the Prime, because it's so heavy with that 900 pound traction battery.
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Sorry, I don't believe you that you are getting 58-59 miles in EV even if you see the number after charging. Unless it is in kilometers. At 65mph I still get around 40 miles as long as I drive on a flat road and not in the high heat. Like right now for example I get 3-3.5 miles per KWh at 65mph. The biggest waster is constantly stopping while doing errands. If I drive on the street long distance like 30 miles one way I get way more miles per KWh than if I stop 10 times.
I always had a moonroof in most of my cars and not one of them leaked even after 14 years.
This summer temps got as high as 114 degrees but I had no problem with AC at all. But my car is white with the black roof. I have not taken RAV4P off payment yet but my 2008 Highlander on 19 inch tires had no problems going to where most people would take 4WD. I am sure Rav4P will do just fine.
 
#29 ·
sandyut said:
the range has far exceeded our expectations. we live at 8200ft and drive down to 5380 and back often. the R4P seems to be extremely efficient. in driving 800 miles we have used about 1/3 of a tank of gas. the full EV range is insane. we had a full electric mini that was horrible on efficiency...if we ran the AC or heat we barely made the round trip to town and back. in the R4P we rarely use any gas on the same trip.

must have accessories: mud flaps, black overlays, cross bars, hitch (for bike rack), tint front windows to match back OEM tint, front clear guard, catalytic converter guard (had one swiping on a Tacoma-really suck and costs a fortune)
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800 miles on 1/3 of the tank? Really. So you can drive 2400 miles on a tank while the car is rated at 600 miles total. I think you should recalculate.
 
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eugenepowers001 said:
I would simply not believe these numbers. If you drive 1 mile in EV and switch to HV it will show crazy mpg which is not true at all. Max mpg I got driving on roller-coaster road between 35-55 mph. Speed limit was 45 mph. I would speed up right before the bottom to 55mph so inertia would carry me to the top until 35mph. And let it coast from the top down. I got 65mpg. But that is very rare. On a flat more or less road I get 40-44mpg at 65-70mph.
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On Fuelly you enter not the reading from your MID, but the (a) Miles traveled between fuel-ups, and the (b) Gallons pumped. From those Fuelly will calculate your overall fuel efficiency, regardless of how many miles you traveled in EV and how many in HV.

As for the mpg figures that you listed above, I'd say that 40 mpg-44 mpg at moderate interstate speeds is about right, in optimal weather- and traffic conditions that is.


eugenepowers001 said:
800 miles on 1/3 of the tank? Really. So you can drive 2400 miles on a tank while the car is rated at 600 miles total. I think you should recalculate.
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@sandyut does say in that post "we rarely use any gas on the same trip", which is why their gas consumption is so low.
 
#31 ·
kieranas said:
Hey everyone,

I have been driving a gas powered SUV for years but I am really drawn to the Prime mix of electric and hybrid power. For those of you who own one how has your experience been with the EV range?? Is it holding up to your expectations for everyday use?
I live in a pretty cold area I want to know how the battery performs in lower temperatures. Any tips on how to maximize efficiency in the winter?

I want to know if any of you have added any must have accessories for long road trips or just daily driving comfort.

As well, I found these resources when doing research on this; https://www.rav4world.com/threads/highway-mpgoracle-integration-cloud-at-higher-speeds.304860/ & if anyone have any resources, tutorials or personal experiences please share with me I would appreciate.

Thank you……. :)
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2023 Rav4 Prime SE
  • Love the power
  • Never use gas around town. The 50 miles or so range is more than enough
  • Love the power
  • Planned to buy the fast charger, but never did. The standard 120v cord works fine
  • Love the power
  • Added a trailer hitch (below the bumper). Couldn't bring myself to cut the bumper on a new car
  • Check wheel alignment. I hear it's supposed to be done as part of prep (but check, mine wasn't)

I really got addicted to the smooth feel of an electric car, weird to go back to driving gas. But no range anxiety, just gas 'er up for road trips and your ready to go.
 
#32 ·
I'm very selective with the EV button and it's true, if I use EV without any climate controls in town 50+ miles of range is normal. I have to make sure to use up the gas though, like to fill it up every other month or so.
 
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Dimitrij said:
On Fuelly you enter not the reading from your MID, but the (a) Miles traveled between fuel-ups, and the (b) Gallons pumped. From those Fuelly will calculate your overall fuel efficiency, regardless of how many miles you traveled in EV and how many in HV.

As for the mpg figures that you listed above, I'd say that 40 mpg-44 mpg at moderate interstate speeds is about right, in optimal weather- and traffic conditions that is.




@sandyut does say in that post "we rarely use any gas on the same trip", which is why their gas consumption is so low.
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I see one problem with it. I have a hard time to believe that someone constantly sets the odometer to get the actual miles driven. If they enter predicted miles at fill up and the gallons that is wrong. Just by looking at those numbers that is sound unbelievable considering that all the post I read people post a lot less than I do unless someone drives downhill both ways.
 
#35 ·
Last summer my GOM rised to 100 km. Best trip So far is 91,6 km EV only driving. I dont any tricks with buttons. Just driving almost every day EV only. About 100 km/day is my driving profile speed limit area 60-80 km/h. Today GOM shows 90 km, but after 76 km its almost done. Only 2 km was left. To my profile RAV4 plug in is just great choice.
 

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eugenepowers001 said:
I see one problem with it. I have a hard time to believe that someone constantly sets the odometer to get the actual miles driven. If they enter predicted miles at fill up and the gallons that is wrong. Just by looking at those numbers that is sound unbelievable considering that all the post I read people post a lot less than I do unless someone drives downhill both ways.
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You are quite right to suspect that many drivers don't bother to reset trips on the odo, or to watch their fuel efficiency in general. This is one of the reasons why there are only a few hundred of RAV4 Primes registered on Fuelly vs. 40K units sold in the US up to now.

But those people who are interested in keeping an eye on fuel efficiency and/or expense business miles will make an effort to zero the trips odo.\

kosoha said:
Last summer my GOM rised to 100 km. Best trip So far is 91,6 km EV only driving. I dont any tricks with buttons. Just driving almost every day EV only. About 100 km/day is my driving profile speed limit area 60-80 km/h. Today GOM shows 90 km, but after 76 km its almost done. Only 2 km was left. To my profile RAV4 plug in is just great choice.
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I can easily believe the 91.6 km on one charge, because the driving conditions were perfect for great fuel efficiency: (1) Nordic summer = warm, but not too hot, (2) Southern Finland = flat terrain, (3) Moderate speeds, (4) Good road quality (I assume).

Normally, I get at least 3.0 miles/kWh on the RAV4 Prime (or 70 km) if we assume the battery is 14.5 kWh usable. However, on one occasion I saw 4.6 mi/kWh, which was in perfect driving conditions. This would be 107 km.

BTW, I was very impressed by how the Finnish language avoids all the international terms - apart from plug-in :):ROFLMAO:

Salvinorin A said:
Is this coming from personal experience? I never had the problem you are describing, even though I’m 6.15' (188cm) on a 5-gen hybrid with a moonroof, and I don’t think that Prime is that different from the regular hybrid in that respect.
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I don't think the Prime is different either, and I am also 6'2" and there is enough clearance for my head. But if I were to raise the seat to the highest position and bring the seat back to a vertical position, my head would rprobably be scraping against the roof, too. Also people with longer torso might be at a disadvantage in this sense.
 
#37 ·
eugenepowers001 said:
800 miles on 1/3 of the tank? Really. So you can drive 2400 miles on a tank while the car is rated at 600 miles total. I think you should recalculate.
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I suspect what is meant is that they have driven a total of 800 miles between using 1/3 of a tank of gas and the pure electric miles they have gone with multiple recharges...?
 
#38 ·
lmcharlot said:
(2) The Moonroof in the Rav4 reduces headroom by about 2-1/2 inches. If you are more than about 5'-11", your head will actually be in contact with the rim of the moonroof, and you don't want this, because every time the car rolls over a pothole or a speedbump, your head will hit the roof, hard.
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Is this coming from personal experience? I never had the problem you are describing, even though I’m 6.15' (188cm) on a 5-gen hybrid with a moonroof, and I don’t think that Prime is that different from the regular hybrid in that respect.
 
#39 ·
7002 km is 4 351,77 miles which I drove to next fillup the tank. Light was not burning yet, but I just fill it to know. 38,2 Liters in and thats it. Then another zeroing from trip meter button. Im not So intresting anymore to stearing those numbers. But Ive stil got those numbers.
 
#40 ·
Of course for the prime, most of the time, you charge at night, then drive in EV mode during the trip. You just use the gas during highway. Then your gas in the tank would last long time.
My wife just put 3000km, we only filled 3 times total but not full. First full tank from the dealer she drove like 1500km before adding gas (added $35 cad a just a little less than half tank)
Then another $35 cad
And this week another $35 cad
Of course charging most of time at night
So $105 gas for 3000km that is good

Of course need to add the home electricity bill
But we have like $30 increase compare to previous months on our electrical bill
So still not bad
 
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