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whodat808

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Hello fellow Rav4 owners I joined this group several months ago in hopes of doing upgrades and utilizing this forum to ask questions. I appreciate the community and enjoy reading posts and getting ideas from everyone!

I bought a 2024 Rav4 Limited (gas) back in June
It was not my choice to buy a limited heck I really wanted a hybrid but here in my city you have to put your name on a list and it could be as early as 6 months to a year with no guarantee. I just so happened to be at the dealership looking at the Crown and was ready to buy the Crown when I saw a Rav4 in the showroom. I quickly asked the salesperson is that for sale? Long story short I ended up with the gas powered Rav4 limited.

It's a beautiful SUV with all the features. 360 Cam, Digital rearview mirror, power rear liftgate, Pano roof and what I call the dreaded JBL system lol

I honestly find the sound on the JBL system to be lacking and quite underwhelming. I have been spoiled in the past as every vehicle I have owned I overhauled the stereo system.

As cars integrate new technology it's getting harder to do these stereo upgrades especially if the model has the premium name brand sound systems. I normally would avoid the higher trims so that I don't have to worry about any issues (or as much) but as explained I didn't want to wait 6-12 months or longer

What I really want to do is keep the factory head unit(for now) and replace the factory speaker's, amp and add a sub. I also bought a custom sub box from SKAR that is designed specifically for the Rav4. In the past doing this upgrade was as easy as adding a line output converter but after researching people are telling me because of the JBL system it won't be.

I have talked to Crutchfield and attached a file what the salesperson told me. Your thoughts and suggestions or if anyone has experience with this JBL system is appreciated (y)

I decided to just copy and paste what he said in case the file can't be opened ( I apologize for this long winded story)


Part 1
Mitch: So in modern amplified systems like this, there are generally two routes you can take. The first pick would be using a ready-made harness specific to your audio system that just plugs in and gets you the connections you need for a processor like the Optim6

Part 2
Mitch: Since that isn't an option here, the other way to go would be to take all of the wires that come out from the factory amp and feed them into a processor/line output converter that is capable of summing them all together into one full range signal

Part 3
Mitch: The reason that's necessary is because the factory amp has its own crossover settings - it only sends certain frequencies of sound to certain speakers in the vehicle. It's division of labor so the big speakers make your big bass and the little tweeters just focus on the highs

Part 4
Mitch: It wouldn't do you much good to replace everything but stick with the factory crossover points, so we essentially need to recombine that crossed over signal into full range so we can split it up ourselves to work best with the new gear

Part 5
Mitch: So that means whatever signal summing processor you use, it needs to be able to accept at least as many channels of input as the factory amp has in outputs

Part 6
Mitch: Otherwise a band of sound (say 100Hz to 300Hz) might get left out, so those tones just wouldn't play at all in the new setup

Part 7
Mitch: So the big sticking point is just figuring out how many channels of audio the factory amp uses so we know what kind of summing device will do the job
 

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I talked to a stereo installer friend of mine and he said there are some digital signal processor modules that might work. This being a 5th generation Rav4 dating back to 2019. I did some research on the Rockford Fosgate DSR1 Digital signal processor on Crutchfield. I selected Rav4s dating back from 2019-2021 and Crutchfield says this module will work with the JBL factory head unit with replacing the factory JBL amp. However, when selecting dates 2022-2024 it tells me the DSR1 is not compatible. If i am not mistaken there was a head unit change in 2023 but did the system change from 2022? Is this the reason why this module is not compatible?
He's not sure if the module will work with my year Rav4 but he said it might be worth a try.
 
This JBL website (https://www.jbl.com/toyota.html) for the RAV4 says that the rear speakers are full-range so you can tap into these rear speaker wires from the OEM amp while using load resistors for the front speaker wires. You will still need a DSP processor to remove the factory EQ and bass limiter from the rear speaker signal. It may be difficult to signal sum the front speakers because the tweeter and door speaker for each side share the same amplification channel by using a passive crossover which separates those frequencies. OEM dash speakers have bandwidth frequencies that may overlap with the door speakers.
 

In 2018+ models Toyota used three different styles of connectors on the factory radios. In order for the AP4-TY13 to be compatible, the radio must have the 28 / 10-pin new Toyota style connector. Vehicles equipped with the 20-pin BHA8113 or the 10 / 6 pin BHA1761 style connectors are not compatible. The only way to know what connector the radio has is to physically remove it from the dash and look at it.
 
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For JBL vehicles it is pretty straight forward to rework the audio. Here is the link on our set up in a forth gen.
Fifth gen will work the same though. Slight differences in wiring and SKUs.
Unfortunately to get the best results the whole system needs replacement: tweeters, speakers, subwoofer, amplifier.
Thank you guys for your input!
I plan to replace everything but the headunit. I am going to try the Rockford DSR1
In screenshot it says compatible with my Toyota because I selected 2021 rav4 lol) When selecting 2022-2024 it won’t match.
If anyone has experience using this product let me know. Thank you
 

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In 2018+ models Toyota used three different styles of connectors on the factory radios. In order for the AP4-TY13 to be compatible, the radio must have the 28 / 10-pin new Toyota style connector. Vehicles equipped with the 20-pin BHA8113 or the 10 / 6 pin BHA1761 style connectors are not compatible. The only way to know what connector the radio has is to physically remove it from the dash and look at it.
PAC will be my secondary choice if the Rockford DSR1 module and harness doesn’t work. Maybe both won’t work with my 2024 but I’m willing to give it a try. I’m desperate 😅😂
 
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@whodat808 Did the Rockford work out? What are all the components you ended up going with? I'm looking to do the same upgrade and feel the same way about the dreaded JBL system 😬
My stereo guy didn’t think it would work so we tried the PAC AP4-TY13 and that didn’t work either. We saw that there was an upgraded version PAC AP4-TY14 but they are sold out locally. I found one on eBay and rolled the dice and thankfully it worked. I went with an Audison 5 channel amp. Focal 3way performance separates for the front and focal performance coaxials for the rear doors. I was able to get a custom box from skar specifically for the rav4 and put a p3 Rockford sub. Currently I have an issue with the crossover and waiting for a warranty replacement but overall the sound is amazing much improved from the factory JBL SYSTEM. I also did sound deadening on all the doors and will need to do the trunk area . It’s still a work in progress I literally got done with the install the other day, so it took some time and research and a little bit of luck. The factory headunit has its limitations with tuning maybe one day I’ll swap out the deck preferably I want name brand like alpine or Kenwood and not the alibaba/AliExpress stuff. Just waiting for confirmation and ability of retaining the factory features. For now I’ll will just fine tune what I have and enjoy.
So I can confirm the AP4-TY14 will work with the 2024 RAV4 with JBL system. Good luck
 
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