2013 Rav4-- Fumoto valve?
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I don't understand this product. It took me longer to write this message than it is to remove the drain plug.
Why bother to reply?
I like it for the following reasons:
It's faster than a removing drain plug.
It's cleaner than a drain plug.
No dropped plug in the pan.
No worries about drain pan threads...
I don't have to go to war over the crush washer on the intrawebs.
I have pulled more drain plugs than most everyone here combined (not counting other professional mechanics) and have seen these get knocked off and banged up. They hang down much lower than the stock drain plug.
Other than that, I can buy a lot of drain plug gaskets for what the valve costs. As CircusEnvy said, it's not difficult or time consuming to remove the drain plug. Maybe 5 seconds.
Other than that, I can buy a lot of drain plug gaskets for what the valve costs. As CircusEnvy said, it's not difficult or time consuming to remove the drain plug. Maybe 5 seconds.
Wow, sort of an actual response to my question....On the accord it doesnt hang down at all... On the Rav, the plug faces down on an angle....?
Now class, any of you out there install one and have pics...?
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I have used Fumoto valves for years. On the Cummins engine in my Dodge Ram, on our Nisan Maxima, on a previously owned Subaru Imprezza. Never a problem. They are super convenient, less messy, can drain the oil while it is still hot without risk of burning yourself, allow oil changes without any tools and you can easily take samples if you are the type to have your motor oil analyzed.
Like you said, the hole for the drain plug is at an angle on the side of the pan. So a Fumoto valve is not going to hang any lower than the OEM plug. Kind of makes you wonder if someone claiming it will hang lower that has ever even looked at the drain plug on a Rav. The plug is similarly angled on our Maxima. Never a problem and it sits lower than the Rav.
I have not got around to installing one on the Rav yet because we're at about 27,000 miles on it so it's only oil changes so far have been at the dealer. If I can get good prices on oil changes at the dealer I may just keep using their service. Otherwise I will probably add a Fumoto valve to the Rav, although with that retarded internal filter changing the oil is going to require tools and be messy anyhow.
Like you said, the hole for the drain plug is at an angle on the side of the pan. So a Fumoto valve is not going to hang any lower than the OEM plug. Kind of makes you wonder if someone claiming it will hang lower that has ever even looked at the drain plug on a Rav. The plug is similarly angled on our Maxima. Never a problem and it sits lower than the Rav.
I have not got around to installing one on the Rav yet because we're at about 27,000 miles on it so it's only oil changes so far have been at the dealer. If I can get good prices on oil changes at the dealer I may just keep using their service. Otherwise I will probably add a Fumoto valve to the Rav, although with that retarded internal filter changing the oil is going to require tools and be messy anyhow.
I believe you are referring to my post. I am an ASE Certified Master Technician with Advanced Level 1 certification. I am also a Missouri Recognized Repair Technician. I have been professionally employed as a mechanic since the late 70s. I own a 2010 RAV4.
I take offense to your comment.
So what vehicles have you seen these banged up and knocked off (that didn't also have damage to the pan or frame)?
As for being a mechanic, those of us working at home do not have the luxury of a lift or a pit and drain pan that allows us to position ourselves and our hands to remain out of the path of the oil while having the pan positioned to catch what's coming out.
I've been changing oil since 1997 and these valves, installed on vehicles with sufficient clearance, are a Godsend.
My wife's '04 Rav4 was too close to the ground and the Fumoto would have hung down too far, so I used a Fram Sure Drain on that one. Worked great.
I loved changing the oil in that car... crank the wheel to the right and everything was right there.
as soon as someone starts listing their life accomplishments, I go deaf.
I asked a simple question and as usual, the internet responds with non sequiters .
WHO has one? How does it fit the RAV4?
I sweat it's like talking to my wife
How much was that dress ?- it was on sale.
WHO has one? How does it fit the RAV4?
I don't understand this product. It took me longer to write this message than it is to remove the drain plug.
WHO has one? How does it fit the RAV4?
I have pulled more drain plugs than most everyone here combined (not counting other professional mechanics) and have seen these get knocked off and banged up. They hang down much lower than the stock drain plug. Thanks though, to those who can read directions and tried to give Helpful input.
I'm going to crawl in there and mock something up because from a YT video it looks like it angles down. I think the pluses outweigh the minuses..
(cue the whiners) But I've seen a few knocked off or banged up... And I have seen a few leaking plugs or plugs left loose by jiffy lube idiots and ostensibly highly certified mechanics...
/rant
I asked a simple question and as usual, the internet responds with non sequiters .
WHO has one? How does it fit the RAV4?
I sweat it's like talking to my wife
How much was that dress ?- it was on sale.
WHO has one? How does it fit the RAV4?
I don't understand this product. It took me longer to write this message than it is to remove the drain plug.
WHO has one? How does it fit the RAV4?
I have pulled more drain plugs than most everyone here combined (not counting other professional mechanics) and have seen these get knocked off and banged up. They hang down much lower than the stock drain plug. Thanks though, to those who can read directions and tried to give Helpful input.
I'm going to crawl in there and mock something up because from a YT video it looks like it angles down. I think the pluses outweigh the minuses..
(cue the whiners) But I've seen a few knocked off or banged up... And I have seen a few leaking plugs or plugs left loose by jiffy lube idiots and ostensibly highly certified mechanics...
/rant
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Look at the pictures in this thread: 2014 Rav4 Limited Awd Oil Change - Diy
I won't speak for previous generations, but looking at those I would run a Fumoto valve on a current gen Rav without hesitation or worry.
I won't speak for previous generations, but looking at those I would run a Fumoto valve on a current gen Rav without hesitation or worry.
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I have a Fumoto on my '13 RAV and it works flawlessly. Because of the location of the drain plug, if a rock gets hi enough to tear off your Fumoto valve the a LOT of other bad stuff is about to happen.
Can accidents happen? Sure! Shoot, my neighbor had a flying rock tear a hole in his oil filter. I don't think anyone would say that we should forego oil filters! Again, this argument is based purely on the placement of the GEN 4 RAV's drain plug. Personally, I like having this because I think it avoids a lot of issues. I change my own oil 95% of the time, but there have been a couple times I have been too busy so I take it too a shop. I've had two drain plugs stripped out by those guys, with one being bad enough that I had to replace the oil pan. You know what is quicker than an oil plug then? I a Fumoto valve, ha!
I like:
Not worrying about cross threading.
Not get scalding hot oil all over my nitrile glove and down my arm.
Not worrying about crush washers.
No splashing into the pan. Just attach a 3/8" plastic tube and drop it in the pan.
Ease of taking oil samples for analysis. I let the oil start to drain, shut it off, put the hose in the jar, turn it back on. So easy and clean.
I personally think they are worth it. That being said, I put these on my cars on a case by case basis depending on angle and clearance. But for the GEN 4 RAVs these are great!
Can accidents happen? Sure! Shoot, my neighbor had a flying rock tear a hole in his oil filter. I don't think anyone would say that we should forego oil filters! Again, this argument is based purely on the placement of the GEN 4 RAV's drain plug. Personally, I like having this because I think it avoids a lot of issues. I change my own oil 95% of the time, but there have been a couple times I have been too busy so I take it too a shop. I've had two drain plugs stripped out by those guys, with one being bad enough that I had to replace the oil pan. You know what is quicker than an oil plug then? I a Fumoto valve, ha!
I like:
Not worrying about cross threading.
Not get scalding hot oil all over my nitrile glove and down my arm.
Not worrying about crush washers.
No splashing into the pan. Just attach a 3/8" plastic tube and drop it in the pan.
Ease of taking oil samples for analysis. I let the oil start to drain, shut it off, put the hose in the jar, turn it back on. So easy and clean.
I personally think they are worth it. That being said, I put these on my cars on a case by case basis depending on angle and clearance. But for the GEN 4 RAVs these are great!
Yep... Still waiting for my wife's next oil change to install the one on her Rav, but I've had one on my '16 Corolla since last June and haven't had any issues.
If it'll work fine on the Corolla, it'll certainly work on the 4.4 Rav.
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I put a fumoto on a while back. Wish I had seen this thread, but I've been away from this forum for a bit.
I took a picture and inspected the clearance. Even with the longer snout version, the fumoto is completely recessed. It's not apparent from the photo, but if you were have clearance issues, you would hit the midpipe/header before you hit the valve. If you're thinking about installing one and want some point of reference, the lowest point of my fumoto is one inch higher than the bottom surface of the lower control arm.
If you manage to knock the fumoto off, you're probably doing more serious damage to your rav than just that!
I took a picture and inspected the clearance. Even with the longer snout version, the fumoto is completely recessed. It's not apparent from the photo, but if you were have clearance issues, you would hit the midpipe/header before you hit the valve. If you're thinking about installing one and want some point of reference, the lowest point of my fumoto is one inch higher than the bottom surface of the lower control arm.
If you manage to knock the fumoto off, you're probably doing more serious damage to your rav than just that!
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I just did the Fumoto F103sx...
Not crazy about it... I thought it would be neat with the new design....Allowing you to rotate the valve body in any number of ways but really, it's either up (Awesome , out of the way, wrong angle for good drain) or down...And down hangs lower than I'd like..
The F103 series, being inline, would be better for this application...
Next oil change I will see though, if simply loosening it a bit on the o-rings, allows me to rotate it down...
Tony
Edit: Couldn't wait.... I tired loosening it incrementally to see if I could rotate it down into a good draining position.. Right when that happened, it started to seep.. Not good. Perhaps I could use a 1/16" spacer. Loosen bit and rotate to drain, rotate up and tighten. Just want to use it to make oil changes less messy..
Not crazy about it... I thought it would be neat with the new design....Allowing you to rotate the valve body in any number of ways but really, it's either up (Awesome , out of the way, wrong angle for good drain) or down...And down hangs lower than I'd like..
The F103 series, being inline, would be better for this application...
Next oil change I will see though, if simply loosening it a bit on the o-rings, allows me to rotate it down...
Tony
Edit: Couldn't wait.... I tired loosening it incrementally to see if I could rotate it down into a good draining position.. Right when that happened, it started to seep.. Not good. Perhaps I could use a 1/16" spacer. Loosen bit and rotate to drain, rotate up and tighten. Just want to use it to make oil changes less messy..
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Hey guys, I was just wondering if anyone confirmed that all the oil drained out like it normally would if the fumuto were not installed? I'm thinking about getting one, but I'm a little worried that some amount of old oil might still be in the pan. So basically, has anyone tried draining as much as possible from the fumoto, and then take off the fumoto to see if any additional significant amount of oil drains out?
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