Toyota RAV4 Forums banner

1 - 20 of 42 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
1 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
Howdy All-Knowing RAV4 owners!

Just looking for opinions on oil for my 2016 RAV4 XLE. I've read the owners manual that said 5w-20w is okay but that I should get the 0w-20 on my next oil change. I was shocked when I got to my local car maintenance store only to find out that they were heavily pushing the "all synthetic" $69.99 oil change, i.e., 0w-20. I asked him if there was an alternative and he reluctantly said yes, the semi-synthetic 5w-20w for $29.99.

In ya'll's opinion, is the 5w-20w an okay alternative to the full synthetic long term?

Thanks for any help/information you can provide.

David
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,005 Posts
5w-20 is a no-no in the hybrid models. But you should follow the owner's manual for your model and non second-guess this. Yes the 5w-20 is cheaper but its supposed to be changed twice as often.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
20 Posts
I would look for a cheapest full synthetic 0W-20 on sale and find a mechanic who would do it for me. Just the other day, Walmart was having Mobil-1 full synthetics on sale for $19.99/5qt.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,504 Posts
Howdy All-Knowing RAV4 owners!

Just looking for opinions on oil for my 2016 RAV4 XLE. I've read the owners manual that said 5w-20w is okay but that I should get the 0w-20 on my next oil change. I was shocked when I got to my local car maintenance store only to find out that they were heavily pushing the "all synthetic" $69.99 oil change, i.e., 0w-20. I asked him if there was an alternative and he reluctantly said yes, the semi-synthetic 5w-20w for $29.99.

In ya'll's opinion, is the 5w-20w an okay alternative to the full synthetic long term?

Thanks for any help/information you can provide.

David
Do it yourself and save some money.

Pennzoil has 0w20 with a 10 rebate on 5 quart jugs. ( Good until Dec31,2016) My rebate check came in 3 weeks.

Request Form | Pennzoil® 2016 MAIL-IN REBATE PROMOTION

Walmart sells it for around 24 ,So after rebate it would be 14 plus filter You can get from ebay). TOYOTA OEM Engine-Oil Filter 04152YZZA1 | eBay I take my used oil to advance auto parts stores to get rid of it. You may have a different place in your location to depose of it.

I get 2 jugs and 2 filters . .

Mobil 1 also has a rebates a couple of times a year.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
87 Posts
I have to "third" this...With our ToyotaCare we get two oil changes included, one every 10k miles so we're set for the next 20,000 miles on our 2016 RAV4 Hybrid in free oil changes if we bring it to a Toyota dealer. It would seem silly to pass that deal up and bring it to a garage or even doing it yourself as you still have to pay some money to obtain the oil, unless the nearest Toyota dealer is so far away it'd be cheaper to do it the other way.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
428 Posts
What if someone doesn't want all the increased assembly contaminants floating around in their crankcase for 10,000 miles? I sure don't. And if I keep this car that long, I surely will change at 5K max, and that means 1 oil change will be on my dime in the 1st 20K. That said, in my case, I will still prob. use one of my service visits since there is a good chance I keep this car less than a year.
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
11,142 Posts
What if someone doesn't want all the increased assembly contaminants floating around in their crankcase for 10,000 miles? I sure don't. And if I keep this car that long, I surely will change at 5K max, and that means 1 oil change will be on my dime in the 1st 20K. That said, in my case, I will still prob. use one of my service visits since there is a good chance I keep this car less than a year.
There are several used oil analysis' here that show your thinking is antiquated. By all means do as you wish but 10K oil changes using Toyota Genuine Motor Oil 0W20 easily goes 10K miles. Contaminants are no longer an issue as they once were. Frankly if you're getting rid of it in less than a year what does any of this matter?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
428 Posts
There are several used oil analysis' here that show your thinking is antiquated. By all means do as you wish but 10K oil changes using Toyota Genuine Motor Oil 0W20 easily goes 10K miles. Contaminants are no longer an issue as they once were. Frankly if you're getting rid of it in less than a year what does any of this matter?
Possibly, but that is a heck of a time to take a gamble and cheap insurance and peace of mind to just go ahead and eliminate it. What do I care if I pass along a major problem to someone else? Wow...OK. I guess I'm stuck with higher morals than others.
Lastly, just because someone walks across the street in front of traffic and doesn't get hit, doesn't mean I'm going to, not even if it's at 90% "safe".
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
11,142 Posts
Possibly, but that is a heck of a time to take a gamble and cheap insurance and peace of mind to just go ahead and eliminate it. What do I care if I pass along a major problem to someone else? Wow...OK. I guess I'm stuck with higher morals than others.
Lastly, just because someone walks across the street in front of traffic and doesn't get hit, doesn't mean I'm going to, not even if it's at 90% "safe".
Enjoy your closed mind. I suggest you attempt to learn more about modern engines and oils. That "cheap insurance" line is as old as the hills for those that refuse to learn how much things have changed. Do as you wish by all means. I choose to go with the modern and proven methods as I have done the research. There is also nothing wrong with your method, I'm not knocking it at all. I'm only saying that there is a lot of information out there if you care to open your mind and learn.

I grew up in the era of the 1500 then 3000 mile oil change. The world has moved forward as have I. Some simply refuse to do so. A 5K mile oil change is prudent but you can go twice as far with no problems using the correct oil, filter, and conditions.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
19 Posts
I have a 2007 Rav 4 and had the oil consumption issue and Toyota fixed it and my car called for 5W20 oil and after they did the oil consumption fix they changed it to synthetic 0W20. I guess Toyota is trying to cover any oil issues
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
428 Posts
Enjoy your closed mind. I suggest you attempt to learn more about modern engines and oils. That "cheap insurance" line is as old as the hills for those that refuse to learn how much things have changed. Do as you wish by all means. I choose to go with the modern and proven methods as I have done the research. There is also nothing wrong with your method, I'm not knocking it at all. I'm only saying that there is a lot of information out there if you care to open your mind and learn.

I grew up in the era of the 1500 then 3000 mile oil change. The world has moved forward as have I. Some simply refuse to do so. A 5K mile oil change is prudent but you can go twice as far with no problems using the correct oil, filter, and conditions.
Good god. I plan to go to 10K changes and just like the original poster prefer to do the first break in change earlier than 10,000 miles. I've done plenty of research, am a machinist for a living, and still prefer to get a clean change early with ANY new vehicle. We don't need your permission, or the snide remarks. Get over it.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
23 Posts
Like other users have said, take it to a dealership. The first 5 services are free with ToyotaCare, which include 2 oil changes. And Toyota always uses Toyota Synthetic 0W-20. You don't have to spend a dime.

Unless you have already used your free services, I would only use 0W-20
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
286 Posts
What if someone doesn't want all the increased assembly contaminants floating around in their crankcase for 10,000 miles? I sure don't. And if I keep this car that long, I surely will change at 5K max, and that means 1 oil change will be on my dime in the 1st 20K. That said, in my case, I will still prob. use one of my service visits since there is a good chance I keep this car less than a year.
Valid concern. There are a couple dozen used oil analyses floating around showing oil content in the first 20K miles. The appropriate question would be: are the "contaminants" of sufficient quantity and particulate size to cause any damage?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
286 Posts
Good god. I plan to go to 10K changes and just like the original poster prefer to do the first break in change earlier than 10,000 miles. I've done plenty of research, am a machinist for a living, and still prefer to get a clean change early with ANY new vehicle. We don't need your permission, or the snide remarks. Get over it.
KJPAT--In the interest of adding to the compendium of knowledge here, when you look at the used oil analyses out there on Gen 4 Rav4's, what break-in content in the oil concerns you?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
428 Posts
KJPAT--In the interest of adding to the compendium of knowledge here, when you look at the used oil analyses out there on Gen 4 Rav4's, what break-in content in the oil concerns you?
My opinion and general practice with new cars / machinery has nothing to do with someone elses oil analyses. Their results are no assurance of what mine will be. It has everything to do with tolerances, variations in materials and lot batches, variations in assembly, variations in breakin conditions (heat, average RPM, trip distance...ect.), and human error. When you machine a face on a critical component (head, block ect), every intersecting hole or port is a potential small burr that can eventually break free while running. Also, nothing is 100% clean prior to assembly.
These problems are less occurring than the days of less refined processes and implementation of SPC and other inspection improvements, but that doesn't guarantee a 100% problem free breakin either. Go look at some of the latest issues with oil burning and head gasket issues in newer Subarus, some Toyotas, and other vehicles and ask yourself why only some people suffer from this and not others? The reason is variance in a number of things, human error, and some of what I mentioned above.

You may also ask yourself why some of these new short blocks to replace oil burning engines are recommending up to 2 early oil changes if everything you are told above was 100% certain.

Lastly, if $50.00 is a big deal to you, then I suggest you just carry on and do the first change at 10,000 miles. Just don't ridicule others that want to take one simple extra step to do what they can to reduce their chance of potential issues down the road.

One example of many....
2011+ FB25 discussion about oil consumption (split thread) - Subaru Forester Owners Forum
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
286 Posts
That's a good perspective. Thanks, KJPAT. I've been trying for several years--since the acquisition of my '13 RAV4, to base my decisions on science and measurable data rather than anecdote, wives tales, etc., so I'm always interested in the substance behind why others make the decisions they make.

A couple additional questions to help me understand your perspective. (I know you're used to seeing confrontational or mocking questions, but that's not at all what I'm doing here.)

  1. Do you think the filter is sufficient to remove from the oil circuit any contaminants of sufficient size (such as metal particles) to damage the engine?
  2. If contaminants are a concern, is damage done by leaving the oil in for as long as 5K miles? Would it be better to change the oil after the first couple hundred miles and then maybe every 1,000 miles after that until one reaches 10K miles? (If contaminants are a concern, I'd be worried about a burr, for example, breaking off at the 200-mile point and then scrubbing around in there until I change the oil at 5K or 10K miles.)
 
1 - 20 of 42 Posts
Top