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I purchased a 2016 SE this week and there is no auto on/off feature on the headlights. Everything I look at has this listed as standard for the SE.

Is there a reason this car may not have the auto on/off feature on the headlights? Was there an early period that the SE did not have these? You would think a vehicle that stickers over $30k would have this.
 

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I just bought my 2015 LE and it has headlight settings from none, Daytime Running Lights, Parking lights, Night driving lights, and I think something in between. I choose what lights are active and that is fine with me.
 

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I just bought my 2015 LE and it has headlight settings from none, Daytime Running Lights, Parking lights, Night driving lights, and I think something in between. I choose what lights are active and that is fine with me.
Thanks Richard. That's what's on mine, too. I haven't 'turned on' lights since 1992. I drove 8 of my 11 mile commute with no headlights this morning.

I'll get used to it, but I'm curious as to why everything states they are standard on the SE (not on the LE), yet this one does not.
 

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They will turn off automatically if left on.
Leave them on, shut off the engine, get out, close the door, and lock it with the remote, or wait 30 seconds and they will shut off.

They CAN be left on 24/7, but it will hurt filament life if you do a lot of daytime driving.
 

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They will turn off automatically if left on.
Leave them on, shut off the engine, get out, close the door, and lock it with the remote, or wait 30 seconds and they will shut off.

They CAN be left on 24/7, but it will hurt filament life if you do a lot of daytime driving.
That what I do, leave them on. It was 7 years before one of the OEM bulbs burned out.
 

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We have the auto headlights in the xle and limited in Canada. 2013- 2015 anyway, not sure of the 2016. DRL's are mandatory in Canada(they are always on with no option to shut off) so I guess the re-purposed the DRL position from the US version for auto lights in Canada. I don't use them though because it results in a lot of toggling of the lights on and off in daytime which is also harder on the filaments and reduces lifespan.
For example, start car on a sunny day while in the garage, lights come on. Pull out of garage, lights go off. Sometimes under overpasses the lights will come on briefly, then shut off. Then I get into the parkade at work and the lights un neccessarily turn on again etc.

I just turn them on when I need them and off when I don't. Simple as that.
 

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It should have it. One click past off isn't auto on your stalk? I would bring it up with the dealer at the 5k check up.
 

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I'm in the same boat as you. All websites, brochures etc show auto ON/OFF (not just auto off) but my 2016 SE didn't have this feature as well. I emailed Toyota direct to address this last week but haven't gotten a response yet.


The headlight stock on the steering column shows:
Lights on
Parking lights
DRL
Off
 

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It could be as simple as they put on the wrong stalk when assembled. Put your stalk in drl position with the car on and see if they work as auto head lights (cover the photocell on your dash with a hand towel). As I've learned with my 2014, the stalks are the same besides the labels, the ability is unlocked/locked in the ecu.
 

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It could be as simple as they put on the wrong stalk when assembled. Put your stalk in drl position with the car on and see if they work as auto head lights (cover the photocell on your dash with a hand towel). As I've learned with my 2014, the stalks are the same besides the labels, the ability is unlocked/locked in the ecu.
I've been using the DRL the whole time. I drove 8 miles the other morning before realizing I had no lights on other than the daytime running lights.

I'll actually bring it up Saturday when I go in for my cargo net and the garage door opener I left in my Camry (dang it). I'll call my sales lady and ask if I should make an appointment with the service dept or with her. Maybe she can do some legwork beforehand. I am a repeat customer at this dealership, so that should rate something. Right? :smile

I had actually asked my nephew who sells Toyota about this and he even said it was standard.
 

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Welp, Toyota customer care responded and asked for a copy of my window sticker from when the car was sold. Not sure why they would need that since they already have my VIN but sent it in anyway. I'll post an update once they email me again.
 

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I'm in the same boat as you. All websites, brochures etc show auto ON/OFF (not just auto off) but my 2016 SE didn't have this feature as well. I emailed Toyota direct to address this last week but haven't gotten a response yet.


The headlight stock on the steering column shows:
Lights on
Parking lights
DRL
Off
Mine has exactly the same. How long have you had your SE? I bought mine last weekend, so not quite a week yet.
 

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Welp, Toyota customer care responded and asked for a copy of my window sticker from when the car was sold. Not sure why they would need that since they already have my VIN but sent it in anyway. I'll post an update once they email me again.
Does your window sticker actually say "auto on/off". Mine does not.
 

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Mine has exactly the same. How long have you had your SE? I bought mine last weekend, so not quite a week yet.
I bought mine on 12/22, so looks like we both purchased around the same time.

My window sticker just says LED headlamps and taillights, nothing about auto off or auto on/off features
 

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I purchased a 2016 SE this week and there is no auto on/off feature on the headlights. Everything I look at has this listed as standard for the SE.

Is there a reason this car may not have the auto on/off feature on the headlights? Was there an early period that the SE did not have these? You would think a vehicle that stickers over $30k would have this.
FWIW, the online brochure says the headlights on the XLE hybrid are auto on/off as a standard feature. The one I recently drove did not have the auto feature. I tried calling toyota for a straight answer, boy was that a mistake. They have some of the dumbest people in the world taking those calls and trying to document the issue. I never got an answer because people kept trying to answer a question I never asked. I gave up.

I'd love to hear what they tell you when you go back in.
 

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We have the auto headlights in the xle and limited in Canada. 2013- 2015 anyway, not sure of the 2016. DRL's are mandatory in Canada(they are always on with no option to shut off) so I guess the re-purposed the DRL position from the US version for auto lights in Canada. I don't use them though because it results in a lot of toggling of the lights on and off in daytime which is also harder on the filaments and reduces lifespan.
The stalks are electrically the same.
The Canadian stalk is the same as the US Limited stalk.. On, Parking, Auto, Off.
US XLE (at least up to 2015) is On, Parking, DRL, Off.

The difference is in the programming of the ECU. The US models kill the DRL in the "Off" position whether Limited or XLE.
The Limited can be left in the "Auto" position permanently and the lights operate according to the light levels. The XLE either needs to be left "on" permanently (thus, no DRLs, but full-brightness lighting at all times), or manually switched between On, DRL, and Off.
It sounds like perhaps the Canadian ECU effectively toggles between Auto and DRL in the Auto/Off positions... or do you not have an "off" position?

This is annoying, and though my wife WANTS to run with DRLs, she is pushing 60 and lacks the ability to learn to stop turning the stalk "one click above" off.

I've considered mechanically blocking it for her.
Or... if the Canadian XLE does not have an "Off" position, maybe I'll pull her steering wheel and swap the thing out.
 

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Yes the Canadian version does have an off position. But in that off position, the DRL are still on due to the laws here. But like you stated, it's all in the ECU programming. I have checked and you are correct, the stalks are the same electrically.
According to multi function switch diagram, in the OFF position on all versions of the vehicle, all contacts in the switch are open. So basically the ECU in Canada is programmed to turn on DRLs when all contacts are open, in the US, no lighting at all when all contacts are open. And unfortunately, looking at the schematic, there is no "safe way" to enable them (from the switch anyway) permanently. There is a risky way that *may* work totally fine, or may blow up your ECU, but I don't want to suggest it for obvious reasons. lol
 

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Just bought a 2016 AWD SE 3 days ago and we noticed no auto on/off head lights, as well as no rearview mirror auto dim/homelink. Our 2011 Subaru Outback had these features. Even the Mazda CX-5 Grand Touring had them, as well as heated mirrors. However, being the RAV4 is such a better ride and seems to be very well built, we are learning to live with these minor inconveniences. If Toyota wants to retrofit the stalks at a later date that will be fine by me.

I love the leather seats.
 

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There are ambiguities in the online material.

What does your window sticker say?
 
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