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Had an eye opening experience today when tire shop tried to fix a flat. The wheel lock key used to remove lug nut did not fit the wheel locks.Mechanic had to re-install the other lug nuts, inflate tire, then I was off to Toyota Dealership. Toyota service said when they previously rotated tires they used their master key to remove tire locks, not mine. So I would have to order a replacement key. I said no, you guys were the last to rotate the tires so either way the key I got is used, doesn't fit, and you own it. The manager said, We can plug the tire for 35 dollars and place the order for a new key for the wheel locks. I said no, If you can't fix the tire properly with a patch then forget it. Take off the wheel locks and give me 4 new lugs nuts. I'll take it back to the tire repair shop. Manager agreed realizing I guess that was a cheap way out of losing my wheel lock key. My mechanic neighbor said you can buy the wheel lock keys online so someone determined to steel your wheels can do so with or without wheel locks. My concern was If I'd been stuck with a flat in a remote area I had no way with the wrong key of getting that wheel off. My Rav 4 Hybrid has been great other then the Yokohama tires. They will be replaced tomorrow with just 14,000 miles.
 

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John, a while back after a dealership oil change and tire rotation, I noticed a couple of lug nuts were missing after I got home. One on each passenger side wheel, including a wheel lock. I grabbed my torque wrench, torqued all the remaining nuts to 76 lb/ft, and headed back to the dealership. They were very apologetic, and after a short time they installed a new set of 5 wheel locks and gave me the new key. He said they also use a master set of keys so they never asked me for mine. So I guess the guy just forgot to tighten a couple of them.
 

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I'm thinking that a plastic, fake lug lock might sell.
We will see if the Chinese pick up on the idea.
 

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Yep, I always lift the hood after Toyota services it. Check the oil, fluid levels, tighten caps etc. I guess I'll need to check lug nuts torque. I had to nearly use force to get service advisor to give me my 2nd oil change under warranty.She kept saying "it's 7,500 miles since your last one, it's synthetic oil". I understand its 10,000 miles per the manual, but driving around NYC I don't mind paying for the next one. I believe my Key for the Wheel locks got ripped off in the showroom, service never needed it, they use their own. I guess I was lucky I took it to my local tire shop, they needed my key, otherwise I would have been driving around with no way to remove a flat tire..Ironically Toyota Dealer sent me an e-mail wanting to buy my 2016 Hybrid today, told them sorry no more Toyota's with such shoddy service on Staten Island... Thanks JuneBug...
 

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The other problem you can get, is they do them up so tight, you can't get them off again.

We had this on Ms16v's MINI. The key actually kept slipping and destroyed itself. The dealer at their own cost, had to pay a specialist to remove 2 locknuts, involved welding something to them.
So check you can actually get them off.

Idiots.
 

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I have a 2016 Limited and I don't think it has locking lug nuts. Do they all come with locks?
It's a "dealer installed" option like floor mats, body side moulding, paint protection, etc....
Dealer simply didn't provide the correct key to the OP.

A) - A master key is used by the dealer, meaning that a master key exists, meaning that the bad guys can get them as well.
B) - Wheel theft isn't what it was in the 60s and 70s when everything came with steel wheels and anything alloy or chrome was a target. OEM alloys are not a high-theft item, the only market for them is people who have damaged one of their originals, and they generally either live with it, or use it as an excuse to "upgrade" the full set. Hot wheels for theft are going to be the flashy oversized styles.

I've not used wheel locks since the 80s.
 

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It's a "dealer installed" option like floor mats, body side moulding, paint protection, etc....
Dealer simply didn't provide the correct key to the OP.

A) - A master key is used by the dealer, meaning that a master key exists, meaning that the bad guys can get them as well.
B) - Wheel theft isn't what it was in the 60s and 70s when everything came with steel wheels and anything alloy or chrome was a target. OEM alloys are not a high-theft item, the only market for them is people who have damaged one of their originals, and they generally either live with it, or use it as an excuse to "upgrade" the full set. Hot wheels for theft are going to be the flashy oversized styles.

I've not used wheel locks since the 80s.
I totally agree. Sounds like another way to uselessly spend money on things that really are not needed. Always wondered what would happen if on a cold night the lock was jammed and there was no way to get the nut off. HA! Not for me! Get rid of them!
 

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Correct the wheel locks were part of a package.I didn't really care either way when I bought the Rav 4 Hybrid Limited. But I never checked the wheel lock key when I bought it just checked to see it was there. Had a couple tire rotations without issue so I had no idea the key I had was no good because Toyota used their Master keys. At the tire store I replaced all 4 Yokohama tires with Continental Extreme Contact DWS-06, Big improvement, got talking with an off duty police officer while waiting. He said thieves just jamb a fitting over a wheel lock and hit it hard with a hammer cracking the lock. He said wheel locks aren't worth the hassle as I found out. Anyway this issue is a little off topic on the Hybrid forum, I'm still a huge fan of the Rav 4 Hybrid , great vehicle. Just a little sour on Dealership Service and didn't want anybody to experience what I did.
 

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I have a 2016 Limited and I don't think it has locking lug nuts. Do they all come with locks?
Just look at the lug nuts on your wheels and see if one lug nut per tire has like a star design on the lug nut. If all the lug nuts are the same you don't have wheel locks. Also you want to check your wheel well where your spare tire sits, check the black leather kit for the lug wrench, make sure that fits the lug nut on your wheel. If you have a second adapter that might be the wheel lock key, make sure it fits tight on the wheel lock with the star type design. The Dealer Service can change out the 4 wheel locks with regular lug nuts, or you can at Advance Auto, or any car parts store. It's a well spent 5 minutes to check.....
 

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He said thieves just jamb a fitting over a wheel lock and hit it hard with a hammer cracking the lock. He said wheel locks aren't worth the hassle as I found out.
Same with locking gas caps.
They'll just drag a bucket under the car, punch the (plastic) tank with a knife, and bail the bucket into 5 gallon buckets... they don't care if they spill.
 
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