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its still a crock..........they can do test all they want it still wont prove an accurate figure............lits all a marketing ploy........... :roll:

 

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I'm not agreeing one way or the other with their estimates however the small sampling of users for each tend to support the mileage.

From my own use I have averaged 20 city. And although my last highway mileage was just over 24 it was as high as 28 when I drove, shall we say more responsibly.

there are too many considerations to grasp and realisticly determine what the appropriate fuel milage is..........not many drivers drive responsibly............and there are way too many other factors to determine and assesse ( i know i spelled that wrong)............watching my wife drive (which is very responsible) she gets over 26-28 mpg city.........thats incredible..........i get maybe 20-22 mpg city.........we both drive the exact veh other than mine is equiped w/ 17" rims............again theres too many factors too take into consideration.........

i quess what im tryin to say is that its not the place of goverment to determine what the regulated mpg should be..........i beleive its the manufactures place.........and if your veh was to start only getting 10 mpg city how do you prove it and who will assist you in getting it repaired (we know the goverment dont care)...........

 

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.... unfortunately no one cares. The gov't is just a bunch of talking heads and the automakers are just a bunch of smoke blowers who'd rather r and d the glitz. That's why the mileage has been the same and in some case worse for the past 30 years. An article in the WSJ touched on that today. Over all these years they can make a car that parks itself but not a markedly more efficient engine.

All I can say about the ratings is that it's a reference point for buyers. Like any other rating or survey don't expect it to be gospel.

put that way i completely agree............as i stated marketing ploy..........

+1.......totaly agree...........vehs in the 70's have had pretty good milage compared to today, especialy w/ all this technology were supposably in touch w/............

 

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everything is probably simulated in a air conditioned lab on a dyno............what a joke....... :roll: .........realistic my @$$........... :x

 

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its a joke because its not realisatic........its my opinion!!!!!!!........and im not getting in another pissin match w/ you over something stupid........... :roll:

 

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its a joke because its not realisatic........its my opinion!!!!!!!........and im not getting in another pissin match w/ you over something stupid........... :roll:

Not looking for a pissing match. Newbies come to the forum or others just trying to learn something. It's fine you give your opinion but most readers would just out of curiosity would like to know why.

I've actually measured my two vehicles against their ratings and found them to be fairly close for an "estimate". I don't understand why it's a joke that's all.
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I just took a trip with my pontiac and have found that their new ratings are very accurate per the cars mpg display. The ratings are 17 - 28. I got as high as 30 without traffic but as soon as traffic increased it dropped and stayed at 28.4. My pure city driving has always been 17 - 18.

fair enough.........there are just too many factors that are involved in determining a realistic average..........as i pointed out in post #5..........if these tests were more predominant on being tested by means of realistic tempatures and in less controlled enviroments then yes there could be a better determined ratings.........

the epa ratings are no diffrent than the nhtsa testing vehs for safety in controlled enviroments which i beleive is a complete and utter joke..........these tests once again are inconsistant and have no valuble purpose other than giving the goverment a lead in trying to fool americans into thinking that safety can be assessed and controlled by the goverment...........

i have also found and determined by my 2 vehs that the new epa ratings are not realistic...........my wife can get 33 mpg in her rav if driven very responsibly and she does this on a daily basis..........as for myself i get very bad gas milage especialy since i drive w/ a cement block tied around my right foot, to me that is realistic driving and to others that is considered wasteful...........to each his own.........

 

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The sticker clearly indicates in the lower left hand corner what drivers can expect in terms of mileage.

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its called fine print..........so the agency cant get in any heat over there perception of average milage............the realistic, correct, and responsiible method is to tell peole about the milage, is to enlarge and make bold the fine print and then advs of the average...........