@Kip2MyLpu It looks like the DTE calculation, which appears to take several previous tank MPGs into consideration, is catching up with your approximate 37MPG, and thus a DTE in the mid 400s.
Fuel fill issue has a real fix now!
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I have noticed since the tank fix that the DTE miles drop a lot faster than the actual odometer miles. It was 20% faster at first and seems to be getting closer with each tank full. Even though the GPM is staying relatively steady.
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Is that right though? I've followed this thread since the start but maybe I missed something because everybody else seems to be getting high 400s even with my same MPGs.
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Nobody knows what the DTE calculation is doing behind the scenes. That's one reason why it's so hard to say anything meaningful about your car just based on the DTE behavior.
All I can say for sure is that 430 miles isn't unexpected. If you refilled with 40 left and ended with 430, that means adding 10 gallons increased the range by 390 miles. So the car thinks you'll average around 39 MPG. This is roughly consistent with your fuel economy.
However, only filling 10 gallons when the low fuel light comes on ... that's lower than I would expect. Most people who get the fix fill somewhere between 11 and 12 gallons. That's why their DTE is probably higher.
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TSB 0109-20 talks about Canadian-built vehicles on page 2:
TMMC is Canada, TMMK is Kentucky.
The list of VINs after that exist because it seems the fix was slowly rolled out in Japan so the VIN is used to distinguish which ones had what fixed. But it's easier for Canadian-built: just replace both parts.
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My dealer performed the fuel fill TSB on my RAV 4 Hybrid a couple weeks ago. Yesterday I filled the tank myself for the first time since the service and was pleasantly surprised. I put the nozzle on automatic and when it clicked off I didn't put anymore fuel in it. I got in the RAV and turned it on and the fuel gage was pegged at full. Finally the gauge is reading properly and the tank will fill without having to slowly fuel the vehicle.
I had some reservations about taking my 2020 in for the fix after reading about some issues people were having after due to shoddy work. But I finally decided last week to do it for two reasons.
Labor was 3 hrs and parts listed were 04000 - 16142 (GAGE ASSY), 04000 - 15247 (GASKET) & 04000 - 15142 (TANK SUB-ASSY). Parts cost is not bad at all but the labor would've been expensive if I had to pay out of pocket. Keeping my fingers crossed the issue has been resolved.
No offense to the gas RAV4 owners that might be reading this but after driving my loaner it proved to me I made the right choice in getting the hybrid. To me the gas version felt slower, louder and the tranny shifts were a little harsher than they should be. When compared to my Hybrid the power felt so much smoother, it was quieter and rattled less.
- I didn't pay all this money for a new car for it to not work as intended.
- While the slow fill method was acceptable in the warmer months it definitely was not on a 20 degree night with the wind blowing!
Labor was 3 hrs and parts listed were 04000 - 16142 (GAGE ASSY), 04000 - 15247 (GASKET) & 04000 - 15142 (TANK SUB-ASSY). Parts cost is not bad at all but the labor would've been expensive if I had to pay out of pocket. Keeping my fingers crossed the issue has been resolved.
No offense to the gas RAV4 owners that might be reading this but after driving my loaner it proved to me I made the right choice in getting the hybrid. To me the gas version felt slower, louder and the tranny shifts were a little harsher than they should be. When compared to my Hybrid the power felt so much smoother, it was quieter and rattled less.
After several months of topping off from 1/2 a tank after the fix, today was my first fill from "refill now." My DTE was 26 miles to empty. I refilled on medium flow and managed to get 11.2 gallons in, certainly better than 9.prior to fix. Hoping for 12. We will see over time at different stations but so far so good. My DTE at fill is 505
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Cognitive Dysfunction, Intellectual Impairment, Failure to Grasp Reality . . . . . a Universal, ubiquitous condition.
It is gobsmacking, the uniformity and monolithic quality of its presence. As a human race, we all understand the threat posed by Climate Change, a symptom of our unsustainable conduct on Earth, embracing systems based upon infinite growth while occupying an environment with finite resources.
Here, Cognitive Dysfunction is on display courtesy of a "Toyota Master Diagnostic Technician" counseling against pumping gasoline into a vehicle after the fuel nozzle has been tripped off.
Uh, YO! Ali ! ! ! THAT is the problem right there.
Your failure to comprehend and grasp the glaringly simple condition RAV4 Hybrid owners have been tolerating, their cars DO NOT SAY FULL. The 'gas gauge' on the 'dash' is showing anywhere from 5/8 to 13/16 of a tank 'full' when the gasoline pump fuel nozzle first clicks off . . . . LONG before the fuel tank is actually FULL.
Ali? Time to stop acting like some greased up moron jabrony shade tree mechanic whose favorite phrase is "good enough" and behave like an actual Master Diagnostic Technician that has a grasp upon basic communication. Just stop presuming conditions that do not exist, approach the issue in a manner that suggests you have a blushing acquaintance with methods and thought processes required to "diagnose" problems. Stop presuming realities that have not been articulated.
/RANT MODE
Ah,
there,
I feel much mo betta
It is gobsmacking, the uniformity and monolithic quality of its presence. As a human race, we all understand the threat posed by Climate Change, a symptom of our unsustainable conduct on Earth, embracing systems based upon infinite growth while occupying an environment with finite resources.
Here, Cognitive Dysfunction is on display courtesy of a "Toyota Master Diagnostic Technician" counseling against pumping gasoline into a vehicle after the fuel nozzle has been tripped off.
source article
Uh, YO! Ali ! ! ! THAT is the problem right there.
Your failure to comprehend and grasp the glaringly simple condition RAV4 Hybrid owners have been tolerating, their cars DO NOT SAY FULL. The 'gas gauge' on the 'dash' is showing anywhere from 5/8 to 13/16 of a tank 'full' when the gasoline pump fuel nozzle first clicks off . . . . LONG before the fuel tank is actually FULL.
Ali? Time to stop acting like some greased up moron jabrony shade tree mechanic whose favorite phrase is "good enough" and behave like an actual Master Diagnostic Technician that has a grasp upon basic communication. Just stop presuming conditions that do not exist, approach the issue in a manner that suggests you have a blushing acquaintance with methods and thought processes required to "diagnose" problems. Stop presuming realities that have not been articulated.
/RANT MODE
Ah,
there,
I feel much mo betta
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You may want to consider raising the bar on what qualifies as "good advice".
/. . . . or not
I've never heard of one person ever replacing a charcoal canister until I joined this forum.
I've always topped off my gas on every car I've owned.
Every car I've ever pumped gas into has never allowed you to put gallons of gas in after the pump clicking off at the pump like this Rav4.
I've learned more about fuel systems than I ever cared to because of this messed up Rav4 tank. State of the art for gas tanks is to have a float that prevents gas from getting in the ine to the charcoal canister.
Ali, you telling people not to fill the tank shows you don't have a grasp of the depth of this problem. We didn't buy a hybrid to be short changed on the miles we can drive per tank!
I've always topped off my gas on every car I've owned.
Every car I've ever pumped gas into has never allowed you to put gallons of gas in after the pump clicking off at the pump like this Rav4.
I've learned more about fuel systems than I ever cared to because of this messed up Rav4 tank. State of the art for gas tanks is to have a float that prevents gas from getting in the ine to the charcoal canister.
Ali, you telling people not to fill the tank shows you don't have a grasp of the depth of this problem. We didn't buy a hybrid to be short changed on the miles we can drive per tank!
Would a major auto manufacturer test engineer be high enough for the bar? Short version -"Over filling a fuel tank is like running across a residential street without looking both ways. You may get away with it many times but then that one time, SPLAT." Fill your tank and boots too for that matter but discrediting someone with years of experience as an automotive tech. is condescending to say the least.
You may want to consider raising the bar on what qualifies as "good advice".
/. . . . or not
Okay folks, is it time to close this thread? This "overfilling" issue has been discussed on many threads w/o agreement.
Personally I consider it impossible due to the non-vented non-fillable air gap manufacturers build in at the top of the tank to allow for expansion of cold gas out of the underground tanks on hot days. But obviously with the thousands of tank designs, or in this case redesign, combined with the similar numbers of various EVAP systems, most any scenario is possible.
IMO, that makes everyone on both sides of the issue right under some circumstances. And no one is going to convince anyone else to change the way they fill their tanks. Or how far they drive after they fill up. Or how or where they park the car, uphill, downhill, etc.
So, let's please let half-asleep dogs lie and just wish them happy dreams.
Personally I consider it impossible due to the non-vented non-fillable air gap manufacturers build in at the top of the tank to allow for expansion of cold gas out of the underground tanks on hot days. But obviously with the thousands of tank designs, or in this case redesign, combined with the similar numbers of various EVAP systems, most any scenario is possible.
IMO, that makes everyone on both sides of the issue right under some circumstances. And no one is going to convince anyone else to change the way they fill their tanks. Or how far they drive after they fill up. Or how or where they park the car, uphill, downhill, etc.
So, let's please let half-asleep dogs lie and just wish them happy
dreams.
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Off subject slightly here:
After a few fill ups now with the new replacement tank and sending unit....
1. Gauge reads slightly above full after I do one top off.
2. Fuel light come on at about 20 miles to empty.
3. After the miles to empty says ZERO the 'refuel now' message appears.
4. After driving an additional 10 miles past ZERO I can pump about 12.25 gallons in.
Conclusion: I should be able to go AT LEAST 40 miles past ZERO to empty.
So is it a real fix? I guess so... at least I can sit in the car while its filling and not have to trickle the fuel in by hand. Nice now that our weather has been SUB zero.
After a few fill ups now with the new replacement tank and sending unit....
1. Gauge reads slightly above full after I do one top off.
2. Fuel light come on at about 20 miles to empty.
3. After the miles to empty says ZERO the 'refuel now' message appears.
4. After driving an additional 10 miles past ZERO I can pump about 12.25 gallons in.
Conclusion: I should be able to go AT LEAST 40 miles past ZERO to empty.
So is it a real fix? I guess so... at least I can sit in the car while its filling and not have to trickle the fuel in by hand. Nice now that our weather has been SUB zero.
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Whether or not it is well and truly a genuine "fix". . . . . just having the ability to place the pump nozzle on auto and having 12 gallons or a bit more . . . . . .
. . . . . . flow into a 14.5 gallon tank that Toyota states in the manual should accept 12.3 gallons . . . .
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. . . . . . before it clicks off? That alone is a vast improvement.
TOYOTA has managed to turn getting a full tank of gas into a bonafide novelty.
/cue the scene from Idiocracy . . . . "Ow my balls"
. . . . . . flow into a 14.5 gallon tank that Toyota states in the manual should accept 12.3 gallons . . . .
. . . . . . before it clicks off? That alone is a vast improvement.
TOYOTA has managed to turn getting a full tank of gas into a bonafide novelty.
/cue the scene from Idiocracy . . . . "Ow my balls"
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