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I just saw in Automotive News that in 2004, Toyota/Lexus/Scion reached a U.S. sales goal (2 million per year) that it didn't expect to reach for six more years, in 2010.

The article said Toyota is looking to add North American production capability, probably in the U.S. (v. Canada or Mexico), and that the RAV4, the Highlander, and the 4Runner might be built there.
No decision whether it would mean building new plants or upgrading current ones in Kentucky, Indiana, and California.

RAV on.
 
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Just curious about how RAV owners feel about it being built in the U.S. Personally, I think it will be just as good as the imported models. I dont see Honda or Nissan sales suffering from poor U.S. build quality which leads me to believe its a management thing. I like the idea. More jobs is a good thing as long as Kelly's port doesnt lose work!
 

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Dan Dahl said:
More jobs is a good thing as long as Kelly's port doesnt lose work!
Yes, I think ALL Toyota's should be built in JAPAN :wink:

Seriously... comparing a US built Camry to a Japan built Camry, side by side, I'd go with the Japan version. The plastic quality and overall build quality appear to be better on the Japan models. (Same goes for the Tacoma.) Hopefully, if the RAV4 is built in the US, this won't be true.
 

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I hope RAV4s aren't built in the USA. All of the Toyotas we've owned (RAV4, LandCruiser, Echo, Corolla) have been Jap built and have showcased excellent quality and reliability.

We once owned an American made Mercedes Benz and boy was that a shocker! The only thing it had going for it was its engine and transmission which were built in Germany. The rest of the car was falling apart and cracking away and it was only 2 years old at that point in time!

Here in Australia we have the GM owned Australian brand called Holden. They make the Monaro which is sold as the Pontiac GTO in the States. All of the American reviews i've read say that the build quality is much better than most American brands. What makes it funny is that here in Australia Holden is known for its poor quality...which makes me wonder just how bad are American made cars? No offence intended to anyone.
 

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Dan Dahl said:
Just curious about how RAV owners feel about it being built in the U.S. Personally, I think it will be just as good as the imported models. I dont see Honda or Nissan sales suffering from poor U.S. build quality which leads me to believe its a management thing. I like the idea. More jobs is a good thing as long as Kelly's port doesnt lose work!
I don't see Honda or Nissan sales suffering but the quality sure has. The new Tacoma's aren't exactly excelent either.
 
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it would be a shame to let the RAV4 be built in the US. I would rather it keep its excellent reputation for reliability and build quality. In my opinion US car manufacturers need to step it up and build better cars, as of now most everything the US produces is lacking compared to Japanese and most other foreign made cars. And the thing I am worried about is that if american car makers havent caught up to foreign car companies by now, they might never build as good of quality cars as Toyota and Honda(wouldn't buy one, but they're reliable.)
 
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If the Toyota RAV 4's are built in the United States, I hope they correct the quality problem regarding "the rattle" that the Japanese have failed to address.
 
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That´s very likey......the US is known for the quality in production...whereas Japan not :lol:
 

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The truck of the year 2004 was the Ford F-150. So if a Tacoma is just slightly better than an F-150 this year that's not exactly something to cheer about.
The F-150 is one thing Ford does well. They're notoriously reliable and rugged. Topping that(even just a mag rating) is a big deal.
 

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Yeah, because things like this are such reliability problems.... :roll:
Component: EQUIPMENT:OTHER:LABELS
Summary:
CERTAIN LIGHT DUTY PICKUP TRUCKS EQUIPPED WITH A HEAVY DUTY SERVICE PACKAGE FAIL TO COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF FMVSS NO. 120, "TIRE SELECTION AND RIMS FOR MOTOR VEHICLES OTHER THAN PASSENGER CARS." A TYPOGRAPHICAL ERROR OCCURRED RESULTING IN AN INCORRECT TIRE SIZE AND PRESSURE ON THE SAFETY CERTIFICATION LABEL FOR THESE VEHICLES.
Consequence:
IF THE TIRES ARE INFLATED TO THE PRESSURE INDICATED ON THE LABEL, THE CUSTOMER WILL EXPERIENCE A HARSHER RIDE.
Recall problems are fixed and since they contain things like that you can't exactly go comparing by number. F-150s run for freakin ever. Ford's willingness to conduct recalls for trivial matters is a good thing. Honda/Toyota cover up much more serious things.
 
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What about these
Summary:
      ON CERTAIN PICKUP TRUCKS, THE PITMAN ARM TO STEERING GEAR RETAINING NUT WAS NOT FULLY TIGHTENED TO THE REQUIRED SPECIFICATION.

Consequence:
      IF THE PITMAN ARM TO GEARBOX ATTACHMENT NUT LOOSENS, A NOISE AND A LOOSE FEEL IN THE STEERING COULD OCCUR. IF THE CONDITION PROGRESSED AND SERVICE WAS NOT SOUGHT, THE NUT COULD BACK OFF COMPLETELY AND THE PITMAN ARM COULD SEPARATE FROM THE GEAR CAUSING A LOSS OF STEERING. IF THE WARNING IS NOT HEEDED AND STEERING IS LOST, A CRASH MAY RESULT. .
Summary:
      ON CERTAIN TRUCKS EQUIPPED WITH 4.2L, 4.6L AND 5.4L GASOLINE ENGINES, THE FUEL TANK MAY HAVE A DEPRESSION AT THE SEAM BETWEEN THE TOP AND BOTTOM HALVES OF THE TANK. IF A DEPRESSION IS LARGE ENOUGH, FUEL MAY PERMEATE THE FUEL TANK WALL RESULTING IN A FUEL ODOR, ILLUMINATION, OF THE "SERVICE ENGINE SOON" INDICATOR LIGHT, OR A FUEL LEAK.


Consequence:
      FUEL LEAKAGE, IN THE PRESENCE OF AN IGNITION SOURCE, COULD RESULT IN A FIRE.
Dress it up how you like but american made cars are just plain poorly engineered and even worsely executed vehicles with a few exceptions here and there. As a whole America is lagging far behind most foreign made cars.
 

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I agree with JDub.

And "may result in a harsher ride" is just a euphemism for "your tires may explode and kill the occupants just like all those Ford Explorers did". I know it was debated to death whether that was Firestone's fault or Ford's fault, but regardless, I don't remember ever hearing about this happening repeatedly with a Toyota, Honda, etc. as it did with the Ford Exploder. They're trying to cover their a$$es and not get sued with that one...they probably now call for all their tires to be under-inflated.

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Um...they're popular, but I sure wouldn't say they're reliable based on all the recalls!

http://www.recall-warnings.com/auto-category-V.FORD.F150.html

Here's the Tacoma:

http://www.recall-warnings.com/auto/category/V.TOYOTA.TACOMA.html

For the 1995-2004 timespan...40 compared to 8. This is why I don't buy Fords.
Gasp! Scary. During the 5 1/2 years that I've been living in the US, I never thought of hearing so many recalls for american cars. My mom drives a Pontiac and it got recalled 2 times already. The first time, my dad took it to the dealership and they fixed whatever problem there was. We thought the car was ok, but several months later, another recall.. this time something to do about the ignition :?. My mom has always loved japanese, but when money's short, there's no room for preferences.
 

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I agree with JDub.

And "may result in a harsher ride" is just a euphemism for "your tires may explode and kill the occupants just like all those Ford Explorers did". I know it was debated to death whether that was Firestone's fault or Ford's fault, but regardless, I don't remember ever hearing about this happening repeatedly with a Toyota, Honda, etc. as it did with the Ford Exploder. They're trying to cover their a$$es and not get sued with that one...they probably now call for all their tires to be under-inflated.

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The problem there was under-inflated tires not over-inflated. Which absolutely is user error. If you don't check your tire pressure every month at a minimum, you're just inviting such problems. But there's no sense of self-responsibility in this country anymore so they'd rather sue the manufacturer for tire blowouts, McDonald's for making them fat or whatever else rather than using products properly or having a lick of common sense.

Most of those years only had a few recalls, just like the Tacoma. But whatever happened in '97 that resulted in those 13 recalls skewed your tally.

In any case recalls are not a reliability indicator. Most of the time they're an isolated problem a user never sees, they just take it to the dealer and get their free fix. Doesn't change the fact that there are 20+ year old F-150s still found on farms, construction sites, and the road running just fine after all their hard work with several hundreds of thousands miles on the odometer. To call them unreliable because of a few recalls is ridiculous.

Even when you run into a problem that needs to be repaired, I guarantee it's much cheaper to fix on the F-150 than the Tacoma. Couple that with the higher initial price of the Tacoma and it's a toss up for your money anyway.
 

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The problem there was under-inflated tires not over-inflated. Which absolutely is user error. If you don't check your tire pressure every month at a minimum, you're just inviting such problems. But there's no sense of self-responsibility in this country anymore so they'd rather sue the manufacturer for tire blowouts, McDonald's for making them fat or whatever else rather than using products properly or having a lick of common sense.
Actually Ford's recommended tire pressure was too low in an attempt to make the highly unstable explorer more stable on the road, so it didn't matter if you had them "properly" inflated. That's why you didn't hear about the same problems happening on other SUVs even when running exactly the same tire.

Most of those years only had a few recalls, just like the Tacoma. But whatever happened in '97 that resulted in those 13 recalls skewed your tally.

In any case recalls are not a reliability indicator. Most of the time they're an isolated problem a user never sees, they just take it to the dealer and get their free fix. Doesn't change the fact that there are 20+ year old F-150s still found on farms, construction sites, and the road running just fine after all their hard work with several hundreds of thousands miles on the odometer. To call them unreliable because of a few recalls is ridiculous.
And none of them drive in a straight line unless they had a front end job ever 2 years. There is nothing on this earth that wears as fast at a F-150 ball joint.

Just about every Ford car has a couple pages of recalls just on the seat belts. But recalls aren't really an indicator of anything since non safety recalls are voluntary, and what company is going to voluntarily recall something unless there's a threat of losing more money by letting it go.
 
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