[GreenGiant117]

I know tire preferences are very subjective and has been discussed a lot on the forum but...

I need some more info from owners if possible.
Just caught something in my tire on the way to work this morning (1/4" hole through the steel bands, so no patching it) and given I had an alignment issue for a good 10-15k miles and now have 30k on them I need new tires.

My local tire guy won't do just two since it's all wheel drive (tried explaining the fact that there aren't direct linkages between the front and rear and all but he said "it says all wheel drive on the car, I can't in good conscience sell just two) which honestly is probably the better option anyways so no worries.

He cannot get the Yokohama Avid GT's, not that I would want them anyways, most slippery tires I've ever driven on. He suggested Goodyear Max Life's with a 101V rating, I happened to notice a set of CC2s in the showroom and asked about those since I have seen them mentioned on here. He can get those for $100 more overall, with a 105H rating.

My questions are:

1. Is it worth the extra $100 ($107.50 specifically) for the CC2s over the Goodyear?
2. I know I don't need the V speed rating, but will the slightly higher load rating negatively impact grip or am I being too worrisome?

Also any reviews of either the Max Life's or the CC2's is welcome, thanks!

 

[crisps]

in my opinion

1) yes
2) cc2 has much more grip to begin with, so no

 

[notblue]

cc2 are the best all season tires in my personal experience, i run it on my gen4 rav4 and nissan sentra, waiting for my 2020 rav4 tires to go out and I'm actually between the pirelli scorpion as plus 3 and the cross climate 2, my biggest issue with cc2 is the road noise it makes compared to i guess the previous tires i had, it was a noticeable difference in tire noise for me, but man, my two cars grip so well in rain and snow, it's basically the best all year round tire if you're too lazy to swap tires. I live in chicago, it definitely helps with the winter weathers. you have a lot more confidence driving on those tires in wet or snowy conditions over any other tires i've ever owned. it's really good at spitting rain and snow out through the threads of the tires.

cc2 on 07 sentra
cc2 on 13 rav4 gas
primacy on 2020 rav4 hybrid
i think i will get both the scorpion as plus 3 and the cc2, for summer and winter respectively for my 2020 rav4 hybrid, just waiting for the actual need for new tires, have 46k miles only on my rav4 2020 hybrid.

-edit: if you're a costco member, man they gave me a 200 dollar off promo for buying a set of 4 cc2, thats why i have it on two vehicles, lol, definitely worth checking out. i paid 550 for my sentra's set of 4, and 650 for rav4 set of 4 cc2 installed and all that with warranty.

 

[Salmon]

Depends on your priorities. I have never driven MaxLife but based on the tirerack reviews and literature it appears to be designed for:
comfortable ride
Long Life (80k)
Fuel efficiency

CC2s are designed to be a good performer on dry, wet, and snowy conditions with a reasonable lifespan (60k).

I would expect the CC2 to have better snow performance, somewhat better wet performance, get 20k less life, be slightly noisier, handle better on dry pavement, get less MPG, and have a slightly rougher ride than the MaxLife. If you need to drive much in the snow and/or live where you get a lot of rain the CC2s are probably a better choice. If not, the MaxLife should save you up front, on fuel, and last longer.

 

[crisps]

CC2 are NOT noisy in my experience.
compared to stock destination LE

 

[GreenGiant117]

Depends on your priorities. I have never driven MaxLife but based on the tirerack reviews and literature it appears to be designed for:
comfortable ride
Long Life (80k)
Fuel efficiency

CC2s are designed to be a good performer on dry, wet, and snowy conditions with a reasonable lifespan (60k).

I would expect the CC2 to have better snow performance, somewhat better wet performance, get 20k less life, be slightly noisier, handle better on dry pavement, get less MPG, and have a slightly rougher ride than the MaxLife. If you need to drive much in the snow and/or live where you get a lot of rain the CC2s are probably a better choice. If not, the MaxLife should save you up front, on fuel, and last longer.

I was looking around trying to find data on fuel efficiency, where did you find data on that?
I'm looking for a good balance between grip and fuel economy, as I said the Yokohama's are terrible when it comes to grip so CC2s are going to be a huge improvement, but I don't want to sacrifice a large amount of fuel economy if I don't need to.

I live in MA so switching tires is hard because we get spring for a week, then 8 inches of snow, then almost summer weather again and a deep freeze, hence looking for a good all rounder. That and the Yoko's slide even in the rain around here so I just need more grip...

 

[GreenGiant117]

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-edit: if you're a costco member, man they gave me a 200 dollar off promo for buying a set of 4 cc2, thats why i have it on two vehicles, lol, definitely worth checking out. i paid 550 for my sentra's set of 4, and 650 for rav4 set of 4 cc2 installed and all that with warranty.

Not a member, but I'd have to drive almost an hour to get to the closest one to me, that is a spectacular price though, the couple places I called could only go down to $1100 installed overall, though I think the R4P tires are more pricey than even the Hybrid's

 

[mww33458]

Depends on your priorities. I have never driven MaxLife but based on the tirerack reviews and literature it appears to be designed for:
comfortable ride
Long Life (80k)
Fuel efficiency

CC2s are designed to be a good performer on dry, wet, and snowy conditions with a reasonable lifespan (60k).

I would expect the CC2 to have better snow performance, somewhat better wet performance, get 20k less life, be slightly noisier, handle better on dry pavement, get less MPG, and have a slightly rougher ride than the MaxLife. If you need to drive much in the snow and/or live where you get a lot of rain the CC2s are probably a better choice. If not, the MaxLife should save you up front, on fuel, and last longer.

You’ll get less fuel efficiency with the CC2s for sure, that’s the trade off for better traction. Based on forum posts here, the norm seems to be a loss of 3 mpg and as high as 6 mpg for one member who only drives highway miles.

 

[FranklinStout]

The other tire that has been discussed on this fourm in comparison to the Michelin CC2 is the Continental Cross Contact LX25. This is NOT a tri-peak rated tire, but for primary highway driving it is rated for 70k miles. So far, this has been the best tire I have ever had on my wife's 2011 Toyota Highlander. We are now approaching 70k miles on these tires and they have been great. If you are NOT in the snow or wet areas a lot of the time, I would recommend the Continental Cross Contact LX25. I will be buying these again for the Highlander and now my R4P.

 

[Displaced]

where did you find data on that?

If you search for tyres on a UK site, they have to show the data card for all tyres. Makes them ready to compare.

Try blackcircles.com

Think it's a hangover from when we were in the EU.

 

[CoffeeBear]

you should always have 4 matching tires regardless of AWD, FWD, RWD.

 

[bt10]

My other car is a vette...

 

[CoffeeBear]

My other car is a vette...

lol! okay, exception there. but in general you want all 4 tires to "let go" at about the same time.

 

[Salmon]

I was looking around trying to find data on fuel efficiency, where did you find data on that?

I don't have any direct data for that assumption. But it is based on the following:
1. As mww33458 noted CC2s do not get equivalent fuel efficiency as the stock tires.
2. High traction tires typically are not as fuel efficient as high mileage tires.
3. Reviewing the tread pattern leads me to believe this conclusion is likely.

If you don't want to deal with dedicated snow tires and live where you get a good amount of snow then CC2s are about as good as you can get to run year-round (based on my experience with them, other posters on the forum, and independent evaluations).

 

[SDGTR]

My other car is a vette...

Same here.

Ain't she a beauty?

 

[bt10]

Same here.

Ain't she a beauty?

Ha! I had THAT one too, in blue!

 

[Salmon]

Comments above reminded me of a story:
Came home from work one day (many moons ago) and Mom told me my brother found my grandparents a new car - Corvette.
After numerous questions that it must be something else I learned she was quite sure it was a Corvette.
Later that day they drove up in their new Dodge Coronet.

 

[Big]

I had max life on my 2010 Highlander they were good tires, but I live in So Cal so I never really had them in snow/ice.

 

[4x4ken]

I know tire preferences are very subjective and has been discussed a lot on the forum but...

I need some more info from owners if possible.
Just caught something in my tire on the way to work this morning (1/4" hole through the steel bands, so no patching it) and given I had an alignment issue for a good 10-15k miles and now have 30k on them I need new tires.

My local tire guy won't do just two since it's all wheel drive (tried explaining the fact that there aren't direct linkages between the front and rear and all but he said "it says all wheel drive on the car, I can't in good conscience sell just two) which honestly is probably the better option anyways so no worries.

He cannot get the Yokohama Avid GT's, not that I would want them anyways, most slippery tires I've ever driven on. He suggested Goodyear Max Life's with a 101V rating, I happened to notice a set of CC2s in the showroom and asked about those since I have seen them mentioned on here. He can get those for $100 more overall, with a 105H rating.

My questions are:

1. Is it worth the extra $100 ($107.50 specifically) for the CC2s over the Goodyear?
2. I know I don't need the V speed rating, but will the slightly higher load rating negatively impact grip or am I being too worrisome?

Also any reviews of either the Max Life's or the CC2's is welcome, thanks!

In US you cannot put a tire of lesser spec on the car than originally came with the car. That having been said the speed rating must be maintained. I just did my two Rav4's with new tires last week.
I looked at the tire quality rating parameters and selected an 800-A-A tire which means 800 for tread wear, A class for grip or traction and A class for temperature. It was interesting reading on the backstory of each of those parameters. I was considering Goodyear Max Life. Firestone had their EPIC sale ongoing March 9-12 with an extra $100 off for a set of tires and I selected the Bridgestone Alenza AS that have the 800-A-A quality rating. Road hazard and all taxes out the door about $950. The Good Year Max Life's at the time would have been $1150 if not on a Good Year credit card.
The quality parameters, at least one was not equal or better than the Bridgestone Alenza AS. The Good Year Assurance Max Life is quality rated at 820-A-B. The B class of Temperature is where I looked at them as second choice for tires. Temperature is the amount of retained heat in the side wall when driving as the wall flexes during rolling and thereby heat is generated. I got excited about the Good Year Assurance Max Life's when I came across an ad saying an additional $100 off and I went to a Conrad's about it. Conrads pointed out the extra $100 off was for certain sizes GoodYear had overrun in manufacturing. I was disappointed on that one as I thought I hit a bingo deal. If you are willing to trade off tire wear for traction that is a personal choice. I am giving the Alenza's a try for now. Best wishes.

 

[EddieJoe]

Interesting posts. I wonder how valid those sidewall ratings are when the ultimate POS OE tires are rated “Traction A”, and you could make them spin by looking at them wrong. Unless tested by independent authorities, I judge the sidewall ratings as useless.