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So if he's worried about loss of value, i.e. the car costing him more, he should forego the EV tax credit and acquire the car via the most expensive method?
You would need to negotiate your lease payment since dealer gets tax credit. I have done this before with Volt. Of course it's different market today perhaps it no longer works.
 

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OP if you are worried about lost value there is always lease which would be my preference since we should see flood of plugins in the next 5 years and it would be tempting to upgrade. Otherwise keeping it long term won't matter.


You won't be smoking anyone driving AWD BEV but if you have wet dreams smoking some escort like that clunker geezer then Prime will do the job though it's not as pleasant as BEV really.
At 200-300 miles a day we can not lease. Unfortunately
 

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Crazy to me, to just now get our VIN, ( ordered it back at the beginning of August) and it's a 21 model year. We get to own this vehicle for about a month in 2021 by the time it arrives from Aichi in Japan. My mind says i should be getting a 2022 model year this late in 21! When we go to trade3 in in a few years we are lost a year in value already...... Or am i wrong thinking this?

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you would have a long wait for 2022. Nothing is being produced or shipped normally these days. Price may go up on 2022's also. The difference in value between a 2021 and 2022 is not as important as the mileage put on the car. Yes, you loose a little value being a 2021 and not a 2022, but you will also have a 2021 with the lowest miles compared to those who got a 2021 in early 2021. You probably are really ahead of the game. Mileage can affect value more than anything else. With all that said, the ways things are going, the value of a used 2021 will likely stay up higher and longer than it normally would, due to shortages of new and used cars.
 

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you would have a long wait for 2022. Nothing is being produced or shipped normally these days. Price may go up on 2022's also. The difference in value between a 2021 and 2022 is not as important as the mileage put on the car. Yes, you loose a little value being a 2021 and not a 2022, but you will also have a 2021 with the lowest miles compared to those who got a 2021 in early 2021. You probably are really ahead of the game. Mileage can affect value more than anything else. With all that said, the ways things are going, the value of a used 2021 will likely stay up higher and longer than it normally would, due to shortages of new and used cars.
This is not accurate info. Nagakusa has been producing ~2000 R4P's per month. RORO shipping has not been affected. There are in excess of 64K R4P produced since June of 2020.
 

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This is not accurate info. Nagakusa has been producing ~2000 R4P's per month. RORO shipping has not been affected. There are in excess of 64K R4P produced since June of 2020.
all the yota dealerships around me would love to figure out how to get some of those rav4 primes. I still don’t understand how Toyota has not been effected by the shipping mess. Ships are sitting in port for weeks extra, as there are no truck drivers to haul shit from port.

you seem to be the only person or source that says shipping is fine and there is no delay.
 

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all the yota dealerships around me would love to figure out how to get some of those rav4 primes. I still don’t understand how Toyota has not been effected by the shipping mess. Ships are sitting in port for weeks extra, as there are no truck drivers to haul shit from port.

you seem to be the only person or source that says shipping is fine and there is no delay.
See post #346 and 347 under RORO Ships Toyohashi to North America. Proof is clear it's containerships not RORO ships that are the problem. Toyota contracts with transporters to get the cars from port to dealer.
 

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See post #346 and 347 under RORO Ships Toyohashi to North America. Proof is clear it's containerships not RORO ships that are the problem. Toyota contracts with transporters to get the cars from port to dealer.
valid point about container ships, I didn’t think about that. I guess I missed it the first time you mentioned RORO ships.
 

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With that many miles. How would 42 EV miles help?
I drive 35K miles per year average, and have drastically cut my fuel use from my CX5 turbo, which averaged 27mpg for the 80K miles I had it. My average mpg for the last tank was 66.1 in my Rav4 Prime. It's a game changer!
 

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Prius Prime FTW! (we get 60 mpg in HV mode on trips - just doesn't have the cargo space and ground clearance that we sometimes need)
 

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Alas, though, it is a complete pud. The Rav is actually fun.
If you are putting 200-300 miles a day likely most highway miles the "fun" is watching how much more efficient you can get not how fast you are.
 

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I drive 35K miles per year average, and have drastically cut my fuel use from my CX5 turbo, which averaged 27mpg for the 80K miles I had it. My average mpg for the last tank was 66.1 in my Rav4 Prime. It's a game changer!
Did you account for how much the 42 miles on electric costs? For me. It’s not cheaper than using gas on a hybrid.
 

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Alas, though, it is a complete pud. The Rav is actually fun.
My VW '16 sportwagen was "fun" with only 180ish HP, and got 38 mpg (gasser, not TDI) with same cargo space as the Rav and half the price. The Rav is faster in a straight line, but not "fun" to drive, IMO. The Prius Prime actually feels light and sprightly after driving the R4P! Still not what I'd call "fun" ;)

99% of driving is boring and just transportation for us, so I prefer safe and efficient (why we own Primes now). I'd prefer the R4P have less HP and more MPG, but they went a different route than the Prius to Prius Prime, and got high marks for making it fast and only slightly less efficient than the Rav4 hybrid.

(edit - oh and the VW was a 5spd stick!)
 
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