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Well, in the end we have put a deposit down on a new, 2021 RAV 4 Hybrid LE, (MSRP) at a dealer in Montpelier. It is part of the dealers allotment for November. Not a Prime :rolleyes:. Only a 1hour 20 minute drive from our home, so easier for the Toyota 2 year, 20,000 mile service plan.. This RV4 Hybrid is being built, on Nov 2nd in Georgetown, Kentucky. Ruby-Flare Pearl color. Hope it arrives at dealership in November. $28,900 MSRP plus options was an easier price to swallow, as we will pay cash. All the Primes (as you know) are built in Japan, have to come by ship, unknown delivery date, etc,etc..Very hard to find.

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If I am putting a deposit on a car, that hasn't been built yet, can one change the options? Probably not.
Nicely done. By they way, you can have the included scheduled maintenance done at any Toyota dealer, so you don’t have to return to Montpelier to have it done.

If the car has already been scheduled to be built, it’s very unlikely that any options can be changed.
 

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Nicely done. By they way, you can have the included scheduled maintenance done at any Toyota dealer, so you don’t have to return to Montpelier to have it done...
Thanks, generaltso.
By the way, before putting down a deposit for a RV4 Hybrid, here in Vermont, we had gone to look at a 2021 Forester at a Subaru dealer. A dealer "demo". The morning we headed out to look at this car, the salesperson finally told us the car had 16,400 miles on it !
So we got to this dealership, test drove the car, then sat down with Sales manager to discuss price. They wanted full MSRP for this car, as though we were driving a new car off the lot. I pointed out, the car had almost half the new car warranty used up at 16,400 miles, and this car had been in service since Dec 10 2020. So really it was a "used" car, not a low mileage demo. I offered $2000 less than this MSRP, but Sales manager, basically said,
"In this market , we can charge full MSRP for this car, and someone will buy it."
Needless, to mention we walked out, with our certified check to buy this car, in hand.
It's a jungle out there, looking to buy any new or used car.
 

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Based on the past few pages of posts I think that $2500-$3000 over MSRP is the norm for the XSE with premium package that people have been getting. I paid $2600 over MSRP which I was happy with, since I got the fully loaded XSE at $49,700 + $2600
 

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Based on the past few pages of posts I think that $2500-$3000 over MSRP is the norm for the XSE with premium package that people have been getting. I paid $2600 over MSRP which I was happy with, since I got the fully loaded XSE at $49,700 + $2600
My recommendation for anyone looking is to keep contacting dealers until you find one selling at MSRP. They’re out there.
 

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Thanks, generaltso.
By the way, before putting down a deposit for a RV4 Hybrid, here in Vermont, we had gone to look at a 2021 Forester at a Subaru dealer. A dealer "demo". The morning we headed out to look at this car, the salesperson finally told us the car had 16,400 miles on it !
So we got to this dealership, test drove the car, then sat down with Sales manager to discuss price. They wanted full MSRP for this car, as though we were driving a new car off the lot. I pointed out, the car had almost half the new car warranty used up at 16,400 miles, and this car had been in service since Dec 10 2020. So really it was a "used" car, not a low mileage demo. I offered $2000 less than this MSRP, but Sales manager, basically said,
"In this market , we can charge full MSRP for this car, and someone will buy it."
Needless, to mention we walked out, with our certified check to buy this car, in hand.
It's a jungle out there, looking to buy any new or used car.
Somebody paid OVER what I paid for my new 2020 Rav4 Hybrid from the SoCal dealership I traded it in to. And it was a fully loaded hybrid limited which in a normal market loses a larger proportion of the price due to the options and add on packages not holding value usually.
 

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Dealer Location: Southern Oregon
Model Year: 2021
Trim: Blueprint SE
Packages: SE Prime Weather & Moonroof
MSRP: $41,499.00
Sale Price: $41,499.00
Doc Fee:
Registration: $358.50​
Processing: $150.00​
Title: $113.00​
OR Tax: $207.50​
Dealer Add-Ons (extended warranty): $2787
Interest Rate and Bank (if financing): 1.9ish (48mo)

Mom did OK on trade-in and front loaded the state and federal incentives as a down payment to minimize the loan.
 

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My recommendation for anyone looking is to keep contacting dealers until you find one selling at MSRP. They’re out there.
Yes, but I have read that those dealers selling at Msrp have 100 buyers waiting for primes in most higher population areas . I heard Baltimore Washington area is bad . Someone posted here about primes being listed for $17k over sticker in Annapolis md. A friend told me their brother in Baltimore paid $15k over sticker for a Kia suv last month
I feel lucky to have negotiated for a $2500 over sticker from $5000 on my xse prime three weeks ago. Especially since I had to trade my 2006 bmw 330 xi that had a book value of $3500 but needed $7k in repairs . Glad to have gotten $2000 for it with the nav computer / radio not working. A Dealer only repair at $2700.
 

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Somebody paid OVER what I paid for my new 2020 Rav4 Hybrid from the SoCal dealership I traded it in to. And it was a fully loaded hybrid limited which in a normal market loses a larger proportion of the price due to the options and add on packages not holding value usually.
We traded our 2020 RAV4 Hybird and got $1500 more than we paid for it. Dealer sold it for more than its new MSRP.
1 1/2 years old with 25000 miles. Vroom offered to buy our Prime SE for 45,000. Crazy car market.
 

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Yes, but I have read that those dealers selling at Msrp have 100 buyers waiting for primes in most higher population areas . I heard Baltimore Washington area is bad . Someone posted here about primes being listed for $17k over sticker in Annapolis md. A friend told me their brother in Baltimore paid $15k over sticker for a Kia suv last month
I feel lucky to have negotiated for a $2500 over sticker from $5000 on my xse prime three weeks ago. Especially since I had to trade my 2006 bmw 330 xi that had a book value of $3500 but needed $7k in repairs . Glad to have gotten $2000 for it with the nav computer / radio not working. A Dealer only repair at $2700.
Yes, I heard that too. But I called around anyway to see for myself and quickly discovered that there are a lot of dealers that are selling for MSRP and not ripping off their customers. If people would stop paying the ridiculous markups, shady dealers would stop adding them.
 

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I just bought my R4P this past Friday. SE with the moonroof package for 41,800 ish MSRP. Dealer tried to hit me with a markup to 48,880, but I negotiated down to $45,160 with the extra 5 years of Toyota-care and the 100,000 mile 7 year warranty. This was with 1k Down, and a 30K trade in of my Tundra which I still owed 12K on. So Basically 19K Down. I probably could have further fought the price down, Given that they will sell that Tundra for like 50K to a business who doesn't care because it will be a tax write-off.... but this was the last one on the lot and there was another couple there also looking for it but I happened to get there minutes before them so I didn't want to let the dealer walk away from the deal.
 

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Yes, I heard that too. But I called around anyway to see for myself and quickly discovered that there are a lot of dealers that are selling for MSRP and not ripping off their customers. If people would stop paying the ridiculous markups, shady dealers would stop adding them.
But can the dealers selling at Msrp get primes? And now I have heard they have stopped taking orders.
This shortage is affecting most car lines . There is not a single Chevy Malibu available for sale within two hours of me. Not a desirable car. Being discontinued in 2024. My local Chevy dealer use to have 200 cars on the new lot. Down to 60 cars last week, now they have 28 new cars for sale. $50k silverado. Equinox, corvette , slim pickings.
I look at them as I had a Malibu company car until June 20 when I retired .
Friend said their brother had to pay $17k over sticker in Baltimore for a $30,000 kia sorento suv! Crazy times.
 

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I just bought my R4P this past Friday. SE with the moonroof package for 41,800 ish MSRP. Dealer tried to hit me with a markup to 48,880, but I negotiated down to $45,160 with the extra 5 years of Toyota-care and the 100,000 mile 7 year warranty. This was with 1k Down, and a 30K trade in of my Tundra which I still owed 12K on. So Basically 19K Down. I probably could have further fought the price down, Given that they will sell that Tundra for like 50K to a business who doesn't care because it will be a tax write-off.... but this was the last one on the lot and there was another couple there also looking for it but I happened to get there minutes before them so I didn't want to let the dealer walk away from the deal.
You could have gotten a 7yr/125k Toyota Platinum warranty for $1250 online.
 

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There is not a single Chevy Malibu available for sale within two hours of me.
That's because GM stopped making Malibus back in February.

Less popular cars are getting just as hard to find as popular cars because manufacturers are pausing production and shifting resources to the more popular vehicles, which they can sell at higher profits. So now the demand for popular cars comes not only from the people who wanted them to begin with, but also from the people who would have been happy with a less popular car.

It is getting completely insane.
 

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That's because GM stopped making Malibus back in February.

Less popular cars are getting just as hard to find as popular cars because manufacturers are pausing production and shifting resources to the more popular vehicles, which they can sell at higher profits. So now the demand for popular cars comes not only from the people who wanted them to begin with, but also from the people who would have been happy with a less popular car.

It is getting completely insane.
Thanks! I had read malibus were being produced until 2023, to fleets until 2024. But now I see that they have stopped producing malibus for 8 months so far due to lack of chips.
 

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Online where? We can probably cancel the one my mother just agreed to on Saturday and switch if it's all the same.
Yes, you can cancel within 30 days for a full refudn.

Email Troy Dietrich at: [email protected] and ask for a quote.

Here is the quote I got from Troy in August: note that this is for the Hybrid OR Prime.

Here’s all the basic info and quotes:

Vehicle: 2018 – 2021 Rav4 Hybrid or Prime; Within 36 mos / 36,000 miles.
Toyota Extra Care, Platinum coverage with $0 deductible:
5 yr / 60K - $550.00
6 yr / 75K - $645.00
6 yr / 100K - $895.00
6 yr / 125K - $1140.00
7 yr / 75K - $715.00
7 yr / 100K - $1025.00
7 yr / 125K - $1250.00
8 yr / 75K - $835.00
8 yr / 100K - $1145.00
8 yr / 125K - $1505.00
9 yr / 100K - $1265.00
9 yr / 125K - $1665.00
10 yr / 100K - $1360.00
10 yr / 125K - $1795.00
Most of the details on the Extra Care plans can be found directly at
Toyota's website at the following link, including all the various terms and
options available, just let me know if you would like a quote on a different
plan.
 

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Email Troy Dietrich at: [email protected] and ask for a quote.
Jerry Johnson is another option at [email protected]. His prices are the same as what you listed, but it looks like he has a few more options on the low end.

T3-TOYOTA RAV4 PRIME
4 YEAR 65,000 $550.00
4 YEAR 100,000 MILES $675.00
4 YEAR 125,000 MILES $790.00
5 YEAR 80,000 MILES $600.00
5 YEAR 100,000 MILES $765.00
5 YEAR 125,000 MILES $915.00
6 YEAR 75,000 MILES $645.00
6 YEAR 100,000 MILES $895.00
6 YEARS 125,000 MILES $1,140.00
7 YEARS 75,000 MILES $715.00
7 YEAR 100,000 MILES $1,025.00
7 YEARS 125,000 MILES $1,250.00
8 YEAR 75,000 MILES $835.00
8 YEARS 100,000 MILES $1,145.00
8 YEAR 125,000 MILES $1,505.00
9 YEARS 100,000 MILES $1,265.00
9 YEARS 125,000 MILES $1,665.00
10 YEARS 100,000 MILES $1,360.00
10 YEARS 125,000 MILES $1,795.00
 

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When stealerships use warranties and over-prices add-ons to markup, then they are still leaving a bad impression on customers. Helps to get MSRP on R4Prime when you bought your last 4 Toyota hybrids & plug-ins at local (good) dealership. My only add-ons were ordered by Toyota Regional (1 (NY,NJ,CT) of 12 regions, control trim delivered to region), mud flaps, all weather floor mats. I don’t know what I would have done if they asked for over MSRP, after waiting 11months for delivery, and my last written agreement was to buy a Rav4 Hybrid (waited 3 months for adaptive headlights and switched deposit to Rav4 Prime soon after it was announced).

So I would just add that dealerships that worry about customers coming back might still try to make some more money on a non-local buyer that most likely would not come back for another purchase or repair/regular maintenance work. Time to get to know your local Toyota dealership (ugh) and see how they operate, and then get ready to call around if you are looking for a R4Prime.

Remember you are the customer with the $$ and they want it. Just unfortunate that demand is so out of whack with supply and dealers can play on customer’s emotions. In the end make a balance rational decision for you and your situation.

My R4Prime is the BEST VEHICLE I’VE EVER OWNED!!! (I love saying/yelling that)
 

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Yes, you can cancel within 30 days for a full refudn.

Email Troy Dietrich at: [email protected] and ask for a quote.

Here is the quote I got from Troy in August: note that this is for the Hybrid OR Prime.

Here’s all the basic info and quotes:

Vehicle: 2018 – 2021 Rav4 Hybrid or Prime; Within 36 mos / 36,000 miles.
Toyota Extra Care, Platinum coverage with $0 deductible:
5 yr / 60K - $550.00
6 yr / 75K - $645.00
6 yr / 100K - $895.00
6 yr / 125K - $1140.00
7 yr / 75K - $715.00
7 yr / 100K - $1025.00
7 yr / 125K - $1250.00
8 yr / 75K - $835.00
8 yr / 100K - $1145.00
8 yr / 125K - $1505.00
9 yr / 100K - $1265.00
9 yr / 125K - $1665.00
10 yr / 100K - $1360.00
10 yr / 125K - $1795.00
Most of the details on the Extra Care plans can be found directly at
Toyota's website at the following link, including all the various terms and
options available, just let me know if you would like a quote on a different
plan.
I've heard Troy doesn't like to sell you the warranty if you already bought from selling dealer and canceled. but there are a couple other places that seem to do it no problem
 
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