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I'm actually very thankful that this subject has had so much interest recently. I am not a young man ...and after 35yrs of driving and messing around with motors I can honestly say.. I never knew about the transmission oil specs being such a mess.

I guess I have changed transmission oil maybe 5/6 times in 35 yrs... and have always just looked for the GL4 or GL5 label .... and used that. Never thinking that there was anymore to it. Damned annoying really.

Onto my current rav ..it has 200k..and arrived with me with a dodgy 1st gear synchro. I assumed it was simple old age and just double de-clutched everytime it got sticky. I changed the transmission oil..and only about 1.5L drained out! ..1L from the 'box and perhaps 0.5L from the transfer side!! Was the low oil level the reason for the worn synchro? ... ..I thought possibly. Well, I spent some money and filled it with 5L of Mag 1 75w/80 GL5 full synth ... and monitored it for 6 mths. It made little difference and if anything seemed to get worse!

..I was just about to have a rethink on my gearbox oil ..when this subject comes up...and here we are!!

reckon I wasted a lot on that 5L of full synth ... so im gonna follow the advice above and get it outa there.

I shall use the cheapest mineral GL5 I can ..and flush it..before finding some decent stuff for long term. Be interesting to see how my 1st gear synchro goes...
 
great to see a comprehensive thread on this subject growing .....

I have been trying to find a suitable cheap 'flushing' oil to replace the Mag1 full synth 75w/90 that currently resides in my awd transmission ... and it aint easy. I may have to go 80w/90 in the short term ... as cheap, non-synthetic 75w/90 gear oil just isnt available here. Since I will only be using it for a few hundred miles I dont envisage a problem.

While we're on the subject of things that aren't available here ... NONE of the recommended gear oils can be found ..which is a bit of a blow. I can find Red Line MT-90 .. but there seems to be a bit of a question mark over its suitability. Some say its popular ... others point to threads saying quite the opposite ... weird.

One gear oil that I can get hold of here is Valvoline synthetic 75w/90 as in the pics. This stuff obviously has good pedigree...and includes what they call 'limited slip additive'. I'm hoping this additive makes the Valvoline oil ... something like the Red Line 75w/90 Non-Slip stuff .... which, as I said..I just cannot get here.




the nice thing about the Valvoline oil...is that there is absolutely NO mention of MT-1 on it! ..... which seems to be a good thing...
 
....see what I mean about differing experiences with Red Line MT-90 ... nightmare eh! ?

As for the Valvoline .... oh well..I will keep trying. Thanks for the links to various dealers ... I shall rattle off a couple of emails and see what happens. Unfortunately .. I have been in this situation before ... its easy to find an internet link here to a product you would like to buy ... but actually getting it is another matter. The place is full of historic, long-since out of date advertisements.

I also live 12hrs by road from Manila ... which of course doesnt help.

More importantly, unlike most Western economies ..there is ZERO consumer power here .... the population by and large gets what it is given ...and distributers, dealers, stockists etc are simply not interested in putting any effort into getting a product if it is not already on the shelf. It is a bizarre retail environment ...that has taken me a few years to get used to. They will just shrug their shoulders and say "not available Sir" ... and that is the end of it.
Needless to say ... for anything remotely unusual, I need to buy from abroad and get it DHL'd to me.

They search continues....
 
..ok.. I found some Amsoil Severe Gear 75w/110 .... @ $20/qt ... which (according to the Amsoil datasheet) ... outperforms the 75w/90 at high temps .... sounds good so far ...
There is however, no specific mention of suitability for synchromesh transmissions .... which is a bit of a worry.

Does the inclusion on the list of the Amsoil Severe Gear 75w/90 come from a recommendation?... or researching the specs?..or?

Amsoil have the same datasheet for all of their 'Severe Gear' oils...they do 75w/90, 110 & 140 versions ... and again, no specific mention of suitability for synchro 'box's for any of them that I can see....

what do you reckon?




are my screenshot thumbnails working ok ? ... they dont seem to expand correctly on my phone?! ...
 
.....but be aware that the 75W110 is out of spec, it is probably okay from what AMSOIL states and my research but just know that it is.
what do you mean by 'out of spec' ? ... do you mean NOT 75w/90 as specified by Toyota? If so... i'm not overly concerned by that.
The ambient temps experienced here place more importance on the high temp. spec. ..provided it is equal or greater than 90 .... I'm happy. Cold temp. spec. is just never gonna be an issue..

Had a good browse on that Amsoil website ... great to read so many decent reviews ...thanks for the link.. ?

I've ordered 6 qts .... still need to find some cheap stuff to flush with...
 
It's exactly what is written in my 98 RAV4 owner's manual. Both GL-4 and GL-5 are approved .....


Maybe the recommnded gear oils are not the same in US and Canada...
Really? ... YOUR '98 owners manual says GL-4 & GL-5 ..for the 4 wheel drive models? .... are you sure?
.. because my '98 owners manual is very clear ..GL-5 for the 4 wheel drive models...

 
... well I've just got the Mag1 75w/90 full synth out of my AWD transmission and replaced it with 5L of straight weight GL-4 gear oil ... see pic. That really was all that was available quickly ... and yes, I had to go with 4L of 90 ..and 1L of 140 .. again.. that is what was available. Only way to get a GL-5 oil was to buy a synthetic ... which puts me back to square one. Since its only in there temporarily, to flush off the synthetic.... im not too concerned by it.

That Mag 1 75w/90 had done nothing for the dodgy 1st gear synchro, altho that could well be just worn thro old age so I wasnt expecting miracles.... but actually in the last few weeks the upshift from 1st to 2nd had started to become sticky too. All in all ... disappointing.. I dont think it was a good choice for this transaxle.... esp. since it cost me around $100 for the 5L. The Caltex stuff I just put in was $18 for 5L.

Ive just been for a short 10mile drive to circulate the new stuff and what is immediately noticeable is how much quieter the transmission is now .... I'll keep it in there for a few hundred miles ..then ditch it for the Amsoil Severe Gear when it arrives.

 
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