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I have read through all the posts and studied the table and researched tyres and I have narrowed my new tyres down to either 225/70/16 or 235/70/16.

I am running standard 235/60/16 at the moment on the standard alloy wheels and have 30mm shock spacers and 30mm wheel spacers. The car is a 1999 3dr 4wd Freesport Manual.

I notice on the table it states whether a lift is required but what is the minimum lift you have used for reference?

Should I go for 225/70/16 or 235/70/16? I am not sure it will make a whole lot of difference so would be happy to go with the smaller size if it means less weight, less drag, better fuel and only a very small decrease in height and grip?

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Hello TarkMalbot nice looking RAV4. I see that you have the 3 door version so be aware that it usually sits a little higher than the 5 door RAV4s because they weigh a bit less.

You are probably okay with the 29" tire with your 30mm lift you currently have. What others have done is to get a used tire and try it, then you are only out the mounting fee unless you can temporarily borrow one that is already mounted. But I think that you are probably okay. I don't know what condition your springs and other suspension components are in so I cannot say definitively what works and what doesn't. Another issue is that tire sizes vary slightly from manufacturer to manufacturer and sometimes between tire models so that is another unknown factor.

Unless you need the added ground clearance from a higher profile tire, I would stay with the smaller size. All the things you listed will be affected by tire type and size. If you live where you get much snow in the UK or if you like driving across some of those Scottish bogs that I've been stuck in then I would recommend trying to get a good M&S (mud & snow) rated tire. If your RAV4 lives it whole life on the pavement then stick with a good highway tire.

Highway tires generally weigh less then all terrain and off-road tires and usually will get you your best fuel mileage. They are usually far quieter as well.
All terrain (AT) tires are a compromise between highway and off-road tires. Designed for better off-road traction and durability. These tires weigh more and usually have better traction and will lower your fuel milage.

Let us know what tire you decide and post a photo.
 

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Hello TarkMalbot nice looking RAV4. I see that you have the 3 door version so be aware that it usually sits a little higher than the 5 door RAV4s because they weigh a bit less.

You are probably okay with the 29" tire with your 30mm lift you currently have. What others have done is to get a used tire and try it, then you are only out the mounting fee unless you can temporarily borrow one that is already mounted. But I think that you are probably okay. I don't know what condition your springs and other suspension components are in so I cannot say definitively what works and what doesn't. Another issue is that tire sizes vary slightly from manufacturer to manufacturer and sometimes between tire models so that is another unknown factor.

Unless you need the added ground clearance from a higher profile tire, I would stay with the smaller size. All the things you listed will be affected by tire type and size. If you live where you get much snow in the UK or if you like driving across some of those Scottish bogs that I've been stuck in then I would recommend trying to get a good M&S (mud & snow) rated tire. If your RAV4 lives it whole life on the pavement then stick with a good highway tire.

Highway tires generally weigh less then all terrain and off-road tires and usually will get you your best fuel mileage. They are usually far quieter as well.
All terrain (AT) tires are a compromise between highway and off-road tires. Designed for better off-road traction and durability. These tires weigh more and usually have better traction and will lower your fuel milage.

Let us know what tire you decide and post a photo.
Thank you for the reply. I think I have decided on the 225/70/16 as I do not need the extra 7mm of height the 235 will give and it sounds like other than wanting the looks of the bigger tyre the smaller one will actually be better for me in every way. I have road tyres on at the moment but want All Terrain mainly for the looks but also so I can do some light offroading should I wish too. I love the look of the mud tyres but can not justify them for the amount of time it will go offroad.

The vehicle only cost me £700 which is only about £125 more than what a set of 4 BF Goodrich AT tyres cost so I do not want to pay that much for tyres so I have decided that I will go for Insa Turbo Rangers and may get a 5th tyre too for the spare at a cost. Considering the speeds I go and the mileage it will do (It is a 4th Car in the household) I have no issues with running a retreaded tyre and have confidence in Insa Turbo as a company. They also have a large 14mm tread which should look good and last a long time.
 

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Sorry for the double post but I would like to add that I used to run Nissan 350Z wheels on my RAV. They were 18"x8" ET 30 and ran 235/45/18 Dunlop winter tyres. No issues or rubbing with stock or 30mm wheel spacers. I am sure this comes as no surprise as the table already shows wider and higher profile 18" tyres fitting with no issues.
 

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Update. I went for the 225/70/16 and even with a 30mm lift and 30mm wheel spacers on a 3 Door they still scrub at the front and the rear of the wheel well when close to full lock. Photos attached.
 

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My new tires getting delivered from TireRack.com.

 

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Update. I went for the 225/70/16 and even with a 30mm lift and 30mm wheel spacers on a 3 Door they still scrub at the front and the rear of the wheel well when close to full lock.
What is the offset on your rims? For that tire to rub that badly your offset is pretty big and/or your springs are really sagging. I have a much larger tire than yours without any rubbing at the front of the wheel well, but it was pretty bad at the back until I customized with an implement of destruction.

225-70-16....28.4" Your tire
235-75-16....29.9" My tire, too big don't get these.
 

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My rims are 7" wide ET35 which should be the same offset as standard so with 30mm spacers would make it ET5. Looking down the side of the car they do not sit out and look pretty much perfect. Maybe new front shocks and springs would help but the car handles fine at the moment so maybe look at this in the future. There is no way a bigger tyre would fit my car without serious work. It doesn;t look like its a lifted vehicle to me it just looks normal even with a 30mm lift. See attached
 

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Okay, so that narrows it down, it's not the rims or offset and looking at your RAV4 I agree that your tires look about right, so it must be the springs. Maybe they aren't sagging too badly, maybe a previous owner lowered it? I'm just trying to figure out why those tires would scrape except at the rear of the wheel well on a lockup turn. My tires are a full 1.5" larger than yours and they don't rub at all at the front of the wheel well but they did very harshly at the rear.
 

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245/70/17 on 2003 explorer wheels
 

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Exclusively (happily!) in Michelins w/ Discount Tire since 1990 for all my vehicles. c. 30-Years!
My 2x4 (FWD) tires:

Michelin LTX M/S2 225-70-R16.
Installed 27NOV2015. Current tire mileage: 22,520-mi.
 
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Nice database guys!
Completely agree with the 225/70 R16. I habe no lift and minor scrubbing at maximum steering. In my case I use a spanish retreated pneumatics, INSA TURBO DAKAR. I'm so happy with them, they're noisy, of course (and require a big effort on balancing the rim, around 400g per rim), but awesome traction on muddy and snowy surfaces. Nowadays they already have 10.000 Km and still less than 50% wore.
 

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Install Bassett racing wheels 15" x 7" with 3.75" backspacing (model 57RF375)

Install Interco Super Swampers TSL Bias 29" x 8.5" x 15" (model SAM-25)


no rubbing issues.
Would those same Bassett wheels fit a 06 rav4? Also considering moving the out another inch for a wider stance
 

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Depending on your options on a USA 2006 RAV4 the wheel patterns are as follows
16" x 6.5" Bolt Pattern: 5 x 114.3mm. Offset: 45mm Center Bore: 60.1 mm
17" x 6.5" Bolt Pattern: 5 x 114.3mm. Offset: 45mm Center Bore: 60.1 mm
17" x 7" Bolt Pattern: 5 x 114.3mm. Offset: 45mm Center Bore: 60.1 mm


The RAV4.1 are:
16" x 6.5". Bolt Pattern: 5 x 114.3mm. Offset: 35mm Center Bore: 60.1 mm
16" x 6.5". Bolt Pattern: 5 x 114.3mm. Offset: 45mm Center Bore: 60.1 mm

The 15" wheels are undersized and may not fit on the 2006 even though the lug patterns and center bore are correct. The wheel has to also fit over the brakes and I have no idea if a 15" wheel will clear the brakes on a 2006.
 

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I'm running Yokohama G015 A/T's in 225/70R16, did have a little rub on mine (Manual) but when the lift kit went in no issues (it was planned before hand)
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This was a chart that has been updated. See Tire chart.
 

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I'm trying to get the definitive information on tire sizes and issues for everyone. This is a common question that I've seen here.

The list below is some tried and true experiments from folks who have put larger tires on their RAV4.1s stock and lifted. It also matters if you have a manual or automatic transmission because the automatic tranny sticks out into the wheel well further so keep that in mind. The chart I made up gives you the diameter of a given size in the size ranges from original equipment up to a way oversized tire that will not work without firewall modification.

Tire Size.....Diameter
235-60-16....27.1".............original equipment, optional
215-70-16....27.9".............original equipment
235-65-16....28.0".............a step up, no problems for stock RAV4s
225-70-16....28.4".............this is the largest that a stock RAV4 can handle with minor scrubbing on full lockup and removing the "bump". On automatic RAV4's it will scrub the transmission unless spacers are used.
215-75-16....28.7..............Must have a lift kit
235-70-16....29.0".............Must have a lift kit
255-65-16....29.1".............Must have a lift kit
225-75-16....29.3".............Must have a lift kit, people say they have run these tires but there was no follow up concerning any scrub issues
245-70-16....29.5".............Must have a lift kit, spacers, and it will probably require modification of the firewall, I have seen no one claiming to have tried this size tire
235-75-16....29.9".............Too big even with a lift without serious firewall modifications, this is what I currently have, others claim to have installed this size of tire but no information as to any problems that had to be resolved.
Any larger sizes will require more than a lift and spacers to work without scrubbing.

Note: The area on the other side of the firewall if you heavily modified the firewall will not interfere with pedal travel on left hand drive RAV4's on right hand drives I'm pretty sure it would affect at least the throttle pedal and probably the brake pedal.

Unfortunately, most people talk about tire sizes and never follow it up to let us know what if any issues they had. So everyone post your experiences here, include tire size, brand, and model. Also tell us if you are stock, lowered, or lifted and the method used. Tell us in detail about any firewall mods needed. Pictures are welcome.

Currently, I have 235-75-16....29.9" Firestone Destination A/T tires on my RAV4.1 with an OME lift kit plus a 1" additional lift on the front. I also have 1" spacers on each wheel but I still have scrubbing on turns. I have removed the "bump" and judiciously used an implement of destruction (large hammer) on the front wheel wells, in the lower rear area and they still rub. I am going to have to cut the firewall out to gain enough room to use these tires or I will downsize.
I'm trying to get the definitive information on tire sizes and issues for everyone. This is a common question that I've seen here.

The list below is some tried and true experiments from folks who have put larger tires on their RAV4.1s stock and lifted. It also matters if you have a manual or automatic transmission because the automatic tranny sticks out into the wheel well further so keep that in mind. The chart I made up gives you the diameter of a given size in the size ranges from original equipment up to a way oversized tire that will not work without firewall modification.

Tire Size.....Diameter
235-60-16....27.1".............original equipment, optional
215-70-16....27.9".............original equipment
235-65-16....28.0".............a step up, no problems for stock RAV4s
225-70-16....28.4".............this is the largest that a stock RAV4 can handle with minor scrubbing on full lockup and removing the "bump". On automatic RAV4's it will scrub the transmission unless spacers are used.
215-75-16....28.7..............Must have a lift kit
235-70-16....29.0".............Must have a lift kit
255-65-16....29.1".............Must have a lift kit
225-75-16....29.3".............Must have a lift kit, people say they have run these tires but there was no follow up concerning any scrub issues
245-70-16....29.5".............Must have a lift kit, spacers, and it will probably require modification of the firewall, I have seen no one claiming to have tried this size tire
235-75-16....29.9".............Too big even with a lift without serious firewall modifications, this is what I currently have, others claim to have installed this size of tire but no information as to any problems that had to be resolved.
Any larger sizes will require more than a lift and spacers to work without scrubbing.

Note: The area on the other side of the firewall if you heavily modified the firewall will not interfere with pedal travel on left hand drive RAV4's on right hand drives I'm pretty sure it would affect at least the throttle pedal and probably the brake pedal.

Unfortunately, most people talk about tire sizes and never follow it up to let us know what if any issues they had. So everyone post your experiences here, include tire size, brand, and model. Also tell us if you are stock, lowered, or lifted and the method used. Tell us in detail about any firewall mods needed. Pictures are welcome.

Currently, I have 235-75-16....29.9" Firestone Destination A/T tires on my RAV4.1 with an OME lift kit plus a 1" additional lift on the front. I also have 1" spacers on each wheel but I still have scrubbing on turns. I have removed the "bump" and judiciously used an implement of destruction (large hammer) on the front wheel wells, in the lower rear area and they still rub. I am going to have to cut the firewall out to gain enough room to use these tires or I will downsize.
New to the site. Hope I’m doing this right. Just bought a used 2005 RAV4. Discount Tire talked me into putting on 225/70r16 to replace the 215/70r16. ( it was a swap with my totaled Highlander-long story) anyway.... now it makes a clunking noise when I brake going slowly. And sometimes a clunking noise at a slower steady speed. Like a rotational clunking. Could it be the tires rubbing something? It’s an automatic transmission. Thank you!
 
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