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Just wanted to share this to get your opinion about this article.

thethings.com/problems-with-the-2020-toyota-rav4-and-things-its-great-at
 

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I am admittedly biased, but I HATE online car reviews. There done by people with little to no credentials who's whole goal in the world is ad clicks, not unbiased reviews.

If your going to rely on online reviews at least rely on either a) amateur reviews by people here, who drive one every day, or b) credible places, like road and track or similar (if you can call them credible anymore).

If you want a RAV4, go drive one. There not that hard to find. Tell the dealer you want a long test drive, and you want to go where you want to go - not their pre determined route. If they won't let you - find another dealer.
 

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What a terrible article. It just links to other articles.

They quote the 2020 car and driver article as follows:

the transmission on our test vehicle seemed to stumble when called upon for a downshift.

The 2019 car and driver article is quoted as

An eight-speed automatic shifts smoothly and helps improve fuel economy


These paid magazines are total shills. They are inconsistent and untruthful. How can the same publication write the two statements above? Is it a joke?
 

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Just a clickbait article to generate traffic on some unknown site and considering this is OPs first post about it's possible it's his site. Also giveaway here that this post is possible spam is the avatar which looks like a stock picture from an image sharing site.
 

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I clicked =(, and agree #ClickBait

Some pro's contradicts some con's and all those stock photo's, so it does not seem like the writer even logged miles on a RAV.
 

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This is not a click baits guys. I'm just reviewing the car before deciding on buying it or not. Thanks for your feedback.
 

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The thing to keep in mind with car reviews is that they spend a relatively short amount of time with the vehicle. This means that they typically overlook reliability, which is something I value greatly. I don't care how great a vehicle is if it's not reliable. Honda CRVs consistently score very high, but not many reviews talk about the oil dilution issue. I've never owned a Toyota, but i'll soon be in the market, so I that's why I come here for feedback from owners.

Highlighting one part of the review linked it says: "Problem: Doesn’t Compete With Its Rivals....This may come as a surprise to some, considering all of the great things that the model has done, but the car industry is one that requires constant improvement"..... I find this to be a very odd statement. The car industry is one that requires constant improvement, and they noted all the great things that the model has done. Doesn't compete with Rivals? Personally the 2020 Rav4 is on the top of my list.
 

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@Tumadre I agree with you. I already did a test drive for RAV4 Hybrid 2020 and was going to make an order for one but then preferred to wait until Toyota fix the fuel tank issue or releasing the prime this summer.
 

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Having owned both the Rav4 Hybrid and the Prius, if you don't need more room and ground clearance I would buy the Prius hands down. I'm getting 32 mpg @ 70 mph in the Rav vs 48 mpg @ 70 mph in my Prius.
 

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I considered a Prius V when I bought a '16 Ltd HV, but the ground clearance killed that idea. Wife has an '18 Prius Prime, ground clearance is even less than the Prius. :( She does get fantastic highway fuel economy tho, last summer she and 2 of her lady friends took a 1200 miles trip that averaged just shy of 60mpg without plugging in.
 

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Why do you need ground clearance? I'd rather have an extra 20mpg. Something like 95 percent of CUV owners never take their CUVs offroad
 

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Why do you need ground clearance? I'd rather have an extra 20mpg. Something like 95 percent of CUV owners never take their CUVs offroad
I see so many people make comments like this. "95% of CUV owners never take their vehicle offroad". I'll speak for myself, but I imagine some other people are in the same boat. Having some ground clearance is nice for snow, and light offroading. I'm not talking rock crawling, but the Rav4 doesn't have THAT much clearance anyways. Some people also enjoy being a little higher off the ground. I also don't have to worry as much hitting my front bumper on steep driveways, or scraping curbs parking.

You might read those reasons, and that doesn't make sense to you, but everyone has different tastes. some people might not NEED the extra clearance, but it is convenient.
 

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From the same website:

“The Toyota RAV4 Hybrid is simply a great SUV. In fact, it was ranked #1 in Hybrid and Electric Vehicles by U.S. News. It has a massive cargo and great fuel economy, even for a hybrid SUV. It is a great alternative to the non-hybrid RAV4 thanks to its horsepower and fuel economy ratings.”




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Why do you need ground clearance? I'd rather have an extra 20mpg. Something like 95 percent of CUV owners never take their CUVs offroad
I'm in the 5% that do drive offroad on primitive roads during hunting season, I scraped bottom in my '16 Ltd HV occasionally with 7" ground clearance.
 

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I see so many people make comments like this. "95% of CUV owners never take their vehicle offroad". I'll speak for myself, but I imagine some other people are in the same boat. Having some ground clearance is nice for snow, and light offroading. I'm not talking rock crawling, but the Rav4 doesn't have THAT much clearance anyways. Some people also enjoy being a little higher off the ground. I also don't have to worry as much hitting my front bumper on steep driveways, or scraping curbs parking.

You might read those reasons, and that doesn't make sense to you, but everyone has different tastes. some people might not NEED the extra clearance, but it is convenient.
I understand completely. I also understand that from an engineering standpoint that CUVs are inefficient and packaged poorly. Minivans offer far more space and packaging efficiency hands down. CUVs dont, period.

The style really impacts functionality. It's funny how people say how roomy and how much storage the rav4 has.

Try a Sienna which has a similar footprint. It kills the rav4 in every objective metric including passenger and cargo space.

And you can get awd which is great in the snow. I live near canada and really only need clearance a few days a year at most. A sedan with awd (subaru, Audi etc) is just as good.

Minivan has good clearance for curbs and elevated driving position too.

America's love affair with the CUV is totally irrational. Any engineer has to agree, the numbers don't lie.
 

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Why do you need ground clearance? I'd rather have an extra 20mpg. Something like 95 percent of CUV owners never take their CUVs offroad
A CUV without ground clearance is called a sedan. Literally. The modern CUV is a fwd car with a bit of a lift, hence the came Crossover Utility vehicle. The whole point of paying more for a CUV is to get the height.

You obviously live where its flat and has perfect roads. Around here you need 8 inches to get through the pot holes.
 

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I live in Michigan worst roads in the country. Salt and snow and constant freeze thaw. But you dont need clearance for potholes just sidewall
 

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I understand completely. I also understand that from an engineering standpoint that CUVs are inefficient and packaged poorly. Minivans offer far more space and packaging efficiency hands down. CUVs dont, period.
I sort of agree with some of the points you made, although we are a bit offtopic from ground clearance. We own a Honda Odyssey. I never thought we would own a van, but truth is they have the space of a larger SUV but more fuel efficient. The challenge with the Toyota Sienna is that it is the ONLY AWD minivan, so they sell quick here, and as a result sellers are less inclined to make deals. Can you elaborate what you mean in regards to CUVs are inefficient vs Minivans? the AWD Sienna gets 20MPG combined, while an AWD rav4 gets 29 MPG combined.

It's funny how people say how roomy and how much storage the rav4 has.
That is a relative statement. The Rav4 compared to most sedans, or the mazda cx-5 is pretty roomy. Most people know that the Rav4 compared to something like the Sienna isn't AS roomy.

America's love affair with the CUV is totally irrational. Any engineer has to agree, the numbers don't lie.
What numbers are you comparing? A CUV vs Minivan, or AWD Sedans? You could also make the same claim about America's love for Trucks. How many people actually tow with their Truck? How many people go off road with their truck? Many women buy trucks, and don't intend on towing, off roading etc. You could say this is irrational, but buying a vehicle for many people isn't strictly "what is the most rational purchase."
 

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I'm talking efficiency for cargo and passenger space not MPG. CUVs are a very inefficient design from a cargo and passenger space point of view.

Toyota could slap a Prius Hybrid powertrain in a Sienna but no one would buy because they arent "cool".
 
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