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Toyota just lost a sale...for now. I just got off the phone with Toyota corporate (800-331-4331) who told me that the wheel well won't fit a full size spare. Wazzupwiddat? To make matters worse they market the RAV4 as "designed to meet most off-road driving requirements." See brochure Footnote 13. Maybe the geniuses at Toyota believe doughnuts are tough enough. Right!!! And of course the brochures/manuals say nothing. But I'm sure dealers will inform potential buyers. Right again!!! If enough people find out about it and complain maybe Toyota will find the room to fix this stupidity. The CSR said mgmt reviews all the customer call comments which, in my case, were duly noted. Hopefully, Toyota hears/reads these comments and takes action. If they don't I think they will get a big black eye. Buyer beware......unless you have faith in your doughnut. :surprise:mad::confused:
 

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The Rav4 hasn't had a full size spare since 2012, in reality compared to all the passenger vehicles that no longer even have a spare, just a can of fixaflat or at most a compressor and sealant, let alone a full size spare, it's not surprising and for the majority isn't a big deal. The 4th gen spare tire well would fit a full size spare, but the deck board had to be raised, I suspect that it may be the same for the '19, the owner's manual for the 4.4 had instructions to tire the flat tire down, but the '19 just says stow the flat, which may mean it will fit the well, but maybe not completely. Some international 4.4s had an option of a full size spare and a modified deck board that was raised to accommodate the wider full size tire.

https://www.rav4world.com/forums/124-4-4-interior/177921-spare-tire-well.html#post1732290
 

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The 2018 Brochure is pretty slick. It has pics of gravel/dirt roads but makes no specific mention of off-roading. The 2019 Brochure is completely different!!! Since Toyota raised the ground clearance for 2019 and is specifically marketing this fifth generation as an off-roader they should either provide a solution for a full size spare or stop the off-road marketing campaign. They can't have it both ways. Who is gonna take a dirt/gravel road miles from pavement without a worthy spare? I was looking for a comfortable higher clearance crossover with great MPG. I thought this would have been perfect and frankly I was shocked at my discovery. Naivety, I guess. Until there is a solution I'll have to continue using my FJ Cruiser (19-20mpg) which is overkill for 1000 mile road trips with only 25-50 miles on dirt. Any 2019 owners out there with any ideas? I don't wan't to stow a full size spare above the deck board as I need the space for sleeping. I have a portable compressor so I could consider stowing a deflated full size spare in the wheel well but I doubt that would do much, if anything at all.
 

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Email response from Toyota:



[FONT=&quot]Thank you for contacting Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]We appreciate your interest in the 2019 RAV4.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]We apologize as the vehicle is not designed nor intended to carry a full-size spare tire. We do not recommend or assist with modifying our vehicles from the original factory specifications.[/FONT]
 

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Email response from Toyota:

[FONT=&quot]Thank you for contacting Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]We appreciate your interest in the 2019 RAV4.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]We apologize as the vehicle is not designed nor intended to carry a full-size spare tire. We do not recommend or assist with modifying our vehicles from the original factory specifications.[/FONT]
Are there and cars left that have room inside for a full size spare?
 

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I wonder if anyone make a spare tire carrier that mounts on a 2" receiver? Would be in the way of the hatch but my 21' camper has one that bolts to the rear bumper and folds down to allow access to a rear storage compartment.
https://www.etrailer.com/Spare-Tire-Carrier/Stromberg-Carlson/TR-2.html
A 2" square shaft welded to it might work. You'd still have to work around it but could open the hatch.
 

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Dr. Dyno.....Yes, My wife's current gen Mazda CX-5 wheel well has plenty of room (width and height) for a full size spare even though it comes with a doughnut. That's what I would have expected from Toyota.

Dr. Dyno again, Thanks for that fold-down-holder-on-a-hitch idea. That could potentially work. I was hoping to keep the full size spare off the roof and outta the cabin. And considering I would only use it on out-of-town camping trips then I could remove the entire contraption (spare/holder/hitch) when I am local. Just brilliant. You are the man!!!!
 

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I am not really surprised about the lack of room for a rear spare. I really dont consider the RAV4 as a true off road vehicle despite the marketing story.

For example, its AWD not 4x4 and there is a difference. It will be interesting to see how well it does off road but lets not get too excited in terms of its capabilities. Let's face the sad reality, very few owners of SUV and even fewer owners of CUVs use them off road.

I plan to buy a hybrid AWD in 2020 after the bugs are worked out and it has Android Auto. I do have a 1995 Land Cruiser and a Tundra 4x4 for serious off roading . The Rav will just be extra performance on dirt / mud roads and snow.

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I am not really surprised about the lack of room for a rear spare. I really dont consider the RAV4 as a true off road vehicle despite the marketing story.

For example, its AWD not 4x4 and there is a difference. It will be interesting to see how well it does off road but lets not get too excited in terms of its capabilities. Let's face the sad reality, very few owners of SUV and even fewer owners of CUVs use them off road.

I plan to buy a hybrid AWD in 2020 after the bugs are worked out and it has Android Auto. I do have a 1995 Land Cruiser and a Tundra 4x4 for serious off roading . The Rav will just be extra performance on dirt / mud roads and snow.

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I'm in the exact same boat as you. Waiting on an HV Limited with hopefully Android Auto.

But like you said, the Rav4 is no true off roader. I'm mostly getting it for slick conditions and traction on snowy roads. I may take it on a maintained dirt trail but I do not plan to take it on ungroomed paths, unless it's snow on a paved street. Not to mention the HV has the AWD-i system, which is something I probably don't want to push.
 

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Well that sucks. Didn’t even think to look at that.

On a road trip the trunk would be packed along with the interior. Where is the full size wheel and tire supposed to go then? Strap it to the roof I supposed or leave it on the side of the road and come back for it later lol?
 

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One possible solution is to store a full size spare on the roof. The 2019 Brochure even shows a pic with 2 kayaks on the roof. However, Brochure footnote 2 says "Roof rack with cross bars is not recommended for luggage." What the heck does that mean? Weight/strength issue? Aerodynamic/MPG issue? Are they just weasel words by Toyota to limit liability in case of RR failure? I've also read that on other blogs that MPG may not be just slightly affected but seriously affected with stuff on the roof. Imagine 25mpg? Any real world experiences out there? This is getting stranger and stranger, especially with Toyota now marketing the "ALL- NEW 2020 TRD Offroad RAV4....the newest addition to the RAV4 family will be outfitted with a full array of special Toyota Racing Development engineering and design features for greater trail-driving capability....the 2020 RAV4 TRD Off-Road goes above and beyond with suspension, wheels and tires engineered specifically for trail driving." But you still don't get a full size spare? Do they think we're morons? Seems like Toyota has now jumped the shark.
 

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Toyota is now marketing a 2020 TRD Offroad RAV4. https://www.toyota.com/upcoming-vehicles/rav4TRD/
It “will be outfitted with a full array of special Toyota Racing Development engineering and design features for greater trail-driving capability and standout style.” “The 2020 RAV4 TRD Off-Road goes above and beyond with suspension, wheels and tires engineered specifically for trail driving.” https://toyotanews.pressroom.toyota.com/releases/toyota+rav4+drivers+earn+trail+cred+thanks+to+new+trd+off+road+treatment.htm
HAHAHA. They are going down a rabbit hole unless they fix the spare tire issue.
 

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Toyota is now marketing a 2020 TRD Offroad RAV4. https://www.toyota.com/upcoming-vehicles/rav4TRD/
It “will be outfitted with a full array of special Toyota Racing Development engineering and design features for greater trail-driving capability and standout style.” “The 2020 RAV4 TRD Off-Road goes above and beyond with suspension, wheels and tires engineered specifically for trail driving.” https://toyotanews.pressroom.toyota.com/releases/toyota+rav4+drivers+earn+trail+cred+thanks+to+new+trd+off+road+treatment.htm
HAHAHA. They are going down a rabbit hole unless they fix the spare tire issue.
Yeah... that's some marketing guys that spend time at a desk, not off roading.

I dislike the TRD bits on my Tundra. Just a bunch of hype.


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The '19 Rav isn't the only "off road" touted new SUV, the '19 Honda Passport is being pushed as being very capable as well, but it has a compact spare and I found no reference to an optional full size being available or fitting in the under deck storage.
 

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If I can make a deal this fall, I will be trading in my Adventure for a 2020 Tacoma TRD OR in cement color. The truck just works much better for me than the RAV4. Won’t have to worry about where to put that full size spare :) Plus have power, true off road capabilities, towing, hauling, can modify to my hearts content because of so much after market “stuff” plus I’ll get my console gun vault (which as many of you know can be used for a lot more than a firearm) We will still have our 2015 XLE, but selling the Tundra.
 

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I was at a dealer today and looked at the wheel well without taking out the spare. I measured a non-spare tire and compared it to the well. The diameter may be ok but the height (thickness) of the full size tire is very close to the available space under the deck. The rubber spacers attached to the underside of the deck which rest on the spare tire would also have to be removed to fit a full size spare. I guess it will take a real live owner who is looking to do the same to report back results. Thanks in advance to that person.
 

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I was at a dealer today and looked at the wheel well without taking out the spare. I measured a non-spare tire and compared it to the well. The diameter may be ok but the height (thickness) of the full size tire is very close to the available space under the deck. The rubber spacers attached to the underside of the deck which rest on the spare tire would also have to be removed to fit a full size spare. I guess it will take a real live owner who is looking to do the same to report back results. Thanks in advance to that person.
I haven't sold my take off tires yet, I'll see how an unmounted 19" OEM tire will fit in the spare well tomorrow.:wink
 

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The dismounted 235/55R19 tire will fit, but it's a little too tall at the front for the deck board to fit flush, rear of the deck board fits flush as it normally would, I'd expect an inflated tire to at least raise the front of the board a big higher even if the black rubber block was removed. Note the spray-on sound deadener in the well.



 
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