[Jlhrstv]

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2020 LE hv
I have eibach lift springs in the back. I would think that i'd have more wear on the outside but my insides are wearing out too. Got two sets of wheels that i'm switch off often which means tire rotations every time (~2k). I actually ended up remounting them so the newer side gets worn now...
pretty annoying.

Yea -1.80 on the left rear is a bit extreme. Minimum allowed is -1.75, ideal is -1.0. Would think that lift springs would increase the negative camber (make it more positive). Negative camber causes wear in the insides of the tires. The pic for the left rear looks backwards. A tire riding on the outside edge would have positive camber.

 

[B-Z]

Yea -1.80 on the left rear is a bit extreme. Minimum allowed is -1.75, ideal is -1.0. Would think that lift springs would increase the negative camber (make it more positive). Negative camber causes wear in the insides of the tires. The pic for the left rear looks backwards. A tire riding on the outside edge would have positive camber.

I think we cant go by the picture. I agree that the lift in the back would push it into the + but it doesnt...?

 

[B-Z]

Which one of these will be better?

 

[Sliphorn]

Which one of these will be better? View attachment 178801 View attachment 178802

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I spoke with godspeed and theirs is for lowered vehicles, so they said it might work. But they were not absolutely sure. It sounds like the other one should work. Give 'em a call.
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[RENE65]

From my personal and professional experience ( 40 yrs in service dept ) sometimes when the suspension is not too way off from specs, loosening all the suspension bolts , and while prying the suspension in the direction you need it to go, re-tighten all the bolts. Sometimes a few thousands here and there add up to enough to correct it without changing any parts.

 

[Jlhrstv]

From my personal and professional experience ( 40 yrs in service dept ) sometimes when the suspension is not too way off from specs, loosening all the suspension bolts , and while prying the suspension in the direction you need it to go, re-tighten all the bolts. Sometimes a few thousands here and there add up to enough to correct it without changing any parts.

Most of us only need to move things less than 1deg. In our case .8deg. I see Toyota has a camber bolt for the front wheels, will this work on the rear? If not, is there a camber bolt that will work for the rear?

MOOG® - Rear Greaseable Alignment Camber Bolt Kit

Perhaps this?

 

[Rav4DNorth]

Seems to me like Toyota should have accounted for the extra weight in the back when designing the rear suspension or at the very least should have installed adjustable parts so the camber could have been adjusted accordingly so as to avoid uneven and premature tire wear. IMO this is an added expense that should not be on the purchaser. That being said this does not appear to be a hybrid only issue as I have seen some others on this forum with gas only Rav4s reporting the same issues.

 

[MrMichael]

At about 20k miles I had tire cupping and really loud road noise. Had tires replaced and alignment redone (don't have the numbers since its been 10k miles since then). Toyota tech blamed it on the original tires being crap. They checked bearings etc and said they were all fine. Will be curious to see if it comes back in another 10k miles, if so I'll raise a stink.

 

[Rav4DNorth]

At about 20k miles I had tire cupping and really loud road noise. Had tires replaced and alignment redone (don't have the numbers since its been 10k miles since then). Toyota tech blamed it on the original tires being crap. They checked bearings etc and said they were all fine. Will be curious to see if it comes back in another 10k miles, if so I'll raise a stink.

Tire cupping and uneven wear doesn't have anything to do with the tires being crap but indicates an alignment/suspension issue as far as I know. Love how the techs have been trained on what to say so as to not admit any liability on Toyota's behalf. I hope your new tires last longer than 20k. Best of luck.

 

[Ruthrj]

I have no idea why, but the stock Yokohama tires were shot with less than 30k miles on my ‘13 CX-5. They were rotated regularly, but were loud after 5 to 10k miles of use. The inner portion wore down pretty badly, and you could tell it was due to the aggressive camber on the rear wheels. I put on Goodyear ComforTred Assurance tires, and they were fine for over 50k miles. I didn’t do an alignment either. They wore evenly, but had to be replaced when wet traction became poor. I think there is some truth in the crap tire argument based off that personal experience, but they didn’t wear to the point shown in the threads original picture.

 

[EnjoyDriving]

Which one of these will be better? View attachment 178801 View attachment 178802

Thanks for sharing, and have you contacted either one of them? Please share result. 🤞

 

[B-Z]

I ordered the red godspeed today. They said it's got a +/-3° range.

 

[Sliphorn]

I ordered the red godspeed today. They said it's got a +/-3° range.

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Yes, for lowered vehicles. But chances are it will work for a stocker. Let us know how it goes.
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[B-Z]

why would my eibach lift springs then not have changed the camber closer to the correct measurement?

 

[benriefourie]

I have a 2021 RAV4 Hybrid GX ( 2x4 )
I noticed noise comming from my tires the were never there.
Then I see the rear tires. Badly damaged on the rear on the inside ( both sides)
A week later the car went in for its 30 000km service. Ipointed this out to Toyota and they sent the car for alignment. ( I had to pay out of my pocket for the b.t.w)
All was apparently within spec. They just said nothing. ( my pervious alignment check also showed all within spec)

Now , look at the one picture. As the rear camber does appear to be in spec , they have used the WRONG spec. Its for a 4th gen RAV4.

I took my car to another alignment shop far far away from my town and they reported a -2° rear camber !!

They said they can put shims in , but it will most likely affect my warranty and they did not advise to do it without Toyota's concent.

Will be going back to the dealership tomorrow to talk to them , but by the looks of it , it wont help.

 

[Jlhrstv]

I have a 2021 RAV4 Hybrid GX ( 2x4 )
I noticed noise comming from my tires the were never there.
Then I see the rear tires. Badly damaged on the rear on the inside ( both sides)
A week later the car went in for its 30 000km service. Ipointed this out to Toyota and they sent the car for alignment. ( I had to pay out of my pocket for the b.t.w)
All was apparently within spec. They just said nothing. ( my pervious alignment check also showed all within spec)

Now , look at the one picture. As the rear camber does appear to be in spec , they have used the WRONG spec. Its for a 4th gen RAV4.

I took my car to another alignment shop far far away from my town and they reported a -2° rear camber !!

They said they can put shims in , but it will most likely affect my warranty and they did not advise to do it without Toyota's concent.

Will be going back to the dealership tomorrow to talk to them , but by the looks of it , it wont help.

The 5th generation specifies -1deg negative camber on the rear, with an absolute min. of -1.75. We have found that some brand new ones are -1.8 or less. You can expect tire damage at -1.7 or less. Ours were pretty destroyed at -1.7.

Dealers do their best to hide this as Toyota allows no adjustment, and will not want to cover warranty repairs. Best advise, get this fixed before you exceed the 12mo, 12,000 mile alignment warranty.

Also, be sure to open a case with Toyota, and report to the appropriate authorities as this is a significant safety issue that has and will lead to tire failure.

 

[nevd01]

The 5th generation specifies -1deg negative camber on the rear, with an absolute min. of -1.75. We have found that some brand new ones are -1.8 or less. You can expect tire damage at -1.7 or less. Ours were pretty destroyed at -1.7.

Dealers do their best to hide this as Toyota allows no adjustment, and will not want to cover warranty repairs. Best advise, get this fixed before you exceed the 12mo, 12,000 mile alignment warranty.

Also, be sure to open a case with Toyota, and report to the appropriate authorities as this is a significant safety issue that has and will lead to tire failure.

I have a new Hybrid in Australia and rear wheel camber is -1.9 & -1.8. Dealer has tried to dismiss the problem saying it doesn't matter and "is not adjustable anyway". I insisted a case be raised with Toyota, but heard no more from either dealer or Toyota in over 3 weeks.

 

[Jlhrstv]

I have a new Hybrid in Australia and rear wheel camber is -1.9 & -1.8. Dealer has tried to dismiss the problem saying it doesn't matter and "is not adjustable anyway". I insisted a case be raised with Toyota, but heard no more from either dealer or Toyota in over 3 weeks.

You need to contact Toyota yourself and open a case. What the dealer does is different. If Australia is anything like Toyota USA, they will only initially promise to help, do nothing of substance, then tell you that there actually isn't a problem despite your car being out of spec and damaging tires. Was the same dance with the fuel tank issues until class action lawsuits forced Toyota to do something. Unfortunately customers are strictly a commodity to Toyota. What they owe you is irrelevant, they will only give you what they are forced to.

Still, they will have to assign a case number. Also, be sure to report this safety issue to the relevant authorities in Australia. Your report will have more credibility when you tell them that you have asked the manufacturer for help and have been turned away or denied warranty service.

 

[Tip Tank]

I've gone 63,000 miles on Goodyear Assurance MaxLifes, and there is some wear on the edges but they're still going. The reason the wear is showing on the inner and outer edges is because I make sure my tire rotations have some sort of cross rotation in them. I only mention this because the two different Toyota dealers I've used will simply swap front-to-back and back-to-front with no cross over even when I ask them to do it. The reason I know when they don't cross them is because I have my tires marked with numbers so I know where they should be after service, and, if they're not correct, I have them do it again. For what it's worth, the owner's manual does advise same-side front and back swaps with no cross for some reason.

So, just a head's up, if you're having your tires rotated at the dealer, there's a good chance it's be a same-side swap and you might not be maxi'ing the life of your tires...

 

[crazyhorse]

I've gone 63,000 miles on Goodyear Assurance MaxLifes, and there is some wear on the edges but they're still going. The reason the wear is showing on the inner and outer edges is because I make sure my tire rotations have some sort of cross rotation in them. I only mention this because the two different Toyota dealers I've used will simply swap front-to-back and back-to-front with no cross over even when I ask them to do it. The reason I know when they don't cross them is because I have my tires marked with numbers so I know where they should be after service, and, if they're not correct, I have them do it again. For what it's worth, the owner's manual does advise same-side front and back swaps with no cross for some reason.

So, just a head's up, if you're having your tires rotated at the dealer, there's a good chance it's be a same-side swap and you might not be maxi'ing the life of your tires...

Or you have tires such as the Michelin Cross Climates which are directional and should only be rotated front to back (or vice-versa) on the same side of the vehicle.