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Ive been lurking here for a bit. I am picking up a used 2008 base with 17's on tuesday. I am currently in a Jeep Liberty and do take my vehicles in the bush. I am looking at tires that will spend most time on Southern ontario highways and some time in snow and mud. Canadian Tire had some Total Terrains that actually got decent reviews on sale. Size 225/70/16 which should fit nicely. Buddy behind the counter said "putting those on a rav4 would turn it into a turnip cart. Ride will be a kidney buster". Ok, i get it will be stiffer and coming from a jeep liberty, i believe ive been shaken not stirred before.

My question is< how bad are these light truck type tires? Ive read a lot of posts on here where guys say ride is a bit stiff and gas burn goes up a bit but is it really as bad as buddy says?

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Ive been lurking here for a bit. I am picking up a used base 17 on tuesday. I am currently in a Jeep Liberty and do take my vehicles in the bush. I am looking at tires that will spend most time on Southern ontario highways and some time in snow and mud. Canadian Tire had some Total Terrains that actually got decent reviews on sale. Size 225/70/16 which should fit nicely. Buddy behind the counter said "putting those on a rav4 would turn it into a turnip cart. Ride will be a kidney buster". Ok, i get it will be stiffer and coming from a jeep liberty, i believe ive been shaken not stirred before.

My question is< how bad are these light truck type tires? Ive read a lot of posts on here where guys say ride is a bit stiff and gas burn goes up a bit but is it really as bad as buddy says?

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Not sure about that question, but do have a questions when someone buys used tires. I was once "taken" by buying used tires because I did not know about the Manufacturing Date limitations. What is the Date these tires were manufactured. If it is more than 6 years ago, I would not use them, they are approaching their life expectancy and are, or will be, considered dangerous due to aging and dry rot. Also, the price one pays for used tires drastically changes based on the Manufacturing Date------A tire 2years old has maybe 4 years 'life' left, a 5 or 6 year old tire has no resale value.
 

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Brand new at the store. not used. What im trying to find out from people who have used light truck tires on the rav4, how bad is the ride. Buddy at the store said it would be beyond horrible. I can't see it being that bad as im currently in a jeep with trail suspension and Laredo tires and its a bit stiff but not bad.

Aside from a stiff ride, is there an excessive wear to part on the vehicle?
 

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You can make a lot of trade-offs with tires, not all of which you will be happy with. No single tire is good for everything. Decide which one or two attributes are most important.
I can speak from experience that the Michelin LTX M/S are fantastic on the road and surprisingly good with mud/snow. Spending "most of the time" on highways really calls for a tire that's best for that.
 

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Dot know why this thread was moved to the gen4 section. Its a 2008 base 17'. Not a 2017. Guess its all the same poop when it comes to what im looking for.

Probably was moved because the first line of your first post indicated that the presumed model year is 17, which now appears to have been edited. In any event, likely the best course about tires which you are asking about is to use the reviews which you already have read, take into account other owner suggestions, and consult a source such as Consumer Reports.
 

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What is the Date these tires were manufactured. If it is more than 6 years ago, I would not use them, they are approaching their life expectancy and are, or will be, considered dangerous due to aging and dry rot. Also, the price one pays for used tires drastically changes based on the Manufacturing Date------A tire 2years old has maybe 4 years 'life' left, a 5 or 6 year old tire has no resale value.
I can't believe my 9-year old spare is worthless. It's been mounted to my back door the whole time, completely enclosed in the clamshell cover, protected from the weather and UV rays, and it's never been on the road. So I should just throw it away and buy another tire?

Edit: I clarified the first post and moved the thread to the proper forum.
 

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I can't believe my 9-year old spare is worthless. It's been mounted to my back door the whole time, completely enclosed in the clamshell cover, protected from the weather and UV rays, and it's never been on the road. So I should just throw it away and buy another tire?

Edit: I clarified the first post and moved the thread to the proper forum.

Seems that tire replacement recommendations were made when radial tires had fabric belts, which supposedly were subject to rot under certain conditions such as the rubber cracking and allowing water to penetrate to the belts. The Bridgestones on my RAV have steel belts and I haven't had any rubber cracks on any of my tires in recent years, regardless of age. And since the tire in this instance is exclusively the spare, I wouldn't worry about it unless it shows visible deterioration.
 

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DsrtRat it sounds like you have not test driven the car. The RAV4 has a firm ride and is no where close to soft. Best to take it on a bumpy road to find out if you can live with that kind of ride. If driven on very smooth roads it is not bad. The Sport model has a harsher ride due to stiff Sport suspension. Not as many complain about the ride with the Limited or Base models.

Just to let you know 2006-2008 engines with the 2.4 litre have issues with high oil consumption. This could be bad if you are unlucky to get one. It will be very expensive to fix too (like over $3000). Toyota later replaced the 2009 models onwards with a 2.5 litre engine.
 

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I can't believe my 9-year old spare is worthless. It's been mounted to my back door the whole time, completely enclosed in the clamshell cover, protected from the weather and UV rays, and it's never been on the road. So I should just throw it away and buy another tire?[/I]
I have Canadian Tire Total Terrains A/T's on my 1998 Silverado 3/4 ton 4x4 truck, for close to a decade / I would never purchase them for a light RAV4.
- there on my spare 3rd vehicle, and doesn't get driven much anymore / but the tires have served me very well
- not one slow leak and no cracked sidewalls...darn good for 10 years old
- I have a new set of BridgeStone Duravis going on next year / Total Terrains have high mileage now & close to worn out

Old dates of tire manufacture never meant much to me - the myth was incubated between Ford & Firestone, when tire blow-outs was occurring (on Escort in Southern hot States) and litigation/law suit deaths was crippling expensive...Ford blame had to be shifted to the tire manufacture / for new Escort's under-engineered front end & bad tire pressures in use.

DsrtRat - I stopped buying Canadian Tire rubber, several years ago.
- the competition, has caught up to their low sale prices / and Canadian Tire has looser specs. with each tire manufacturer...insiders say up to 30%, hence the discounted price even on other brands

For spring/summer/fall - I use Firestone Destination Le2...great tire at a decent price point.
- 4 installed and balanced was $717 including 13% HST ... Hanford Firestone in London, ON.
For winter months - Cooper Arctic Claw will be my next purchase.

2 years ago - purchased the 2008 Limited v6-4x4:
- putting new tires immediately on a used vehicle purchase, sure does add to the driving pleasure & safety
- the original summer tires were worn down flush, to the wear bars / so new Firestone Destination Le2 tires installed, in size 225/65R17
The garage dragged their power washer outside for me, so I could hose off and clean up the aluminum rims...of years of grime & brake dust.

 

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i have driven this particular vehicle. PLenty of times as it belonged to my girlfriend for years. Hopefully i get lucky and it doesnt burn oil. Its been a good vehicle for her for a while.

Beaumont67, would u take those tires offroad at all? My jeep is a dying horse and the rav was a good deal. My only reason for looking at the total terrains was so that when i did take it into the fields and backwoods when getting my hillbilly on, i wouldnt be stuck first time the grass is wet. I understand its not my jeep but with awd and decent tires i should be able to do some light offroading?
 

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i have driven this particular vehicle. PLenty of times as it belonged to my girlfriend for years. Hopefully i get lucky and it doesnt burn oil. Its been a good vehicle for her for a while.

Beaumont67, would u take those tires offroad at all? My jeep is a dying horse and the rav was a good deal. My only reason for looking at the total terrains was so that when i did take it into the fields and backwoods when getting my hillbilly on, i wouldn't be stuck first time the grass is wet. I understand its not my jeep but with awd and decent tires i should be able to do some light offroading?
DsrtRat - Maybe something like in the link (Cooper Arctic Claw) or a Firestone M&S.
I stopped buying from C/T, sidewall contain 30% recycled rubber (been told).
- wife has a nice '08 Limited and will never see the outback
- but my 2000 4Runner SR5 with truck frame and real 4x4, would be my hillbilly road choice
Cooper Tire & Rubber Company - Discoverer X/T4?
 

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I can't believe my 9-year old spare is worthless. It's been mounted to my back door the whole time, completely enclosed in the clamshell cover, protected from the weather and UV rays, and it's never been on the road. So I should just throw it away and buy another tire?

Edit: I clarified the first post and moved the thread to the proper forum.
Tires age. The rubber goes bad with time, whether on the car, on the shelf, inside the house. A spare tire that is old should be used to get you to the nearest replacement garage. I would never risk my life on a 9 year old tire going 60 MPH down the highway. It will not be a slight leak, more like a blow-out. That does not mean it is absolute certainty, the the risk is greatly increased after 6 years.
See below article:

A LARGE BODY OF SCIENTIFIC LITERATURE SUPPORTS A SIX YEAR TIRE EXPIRATION DATE
Numerous studies written by or for the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration support a finding that tires expire in six years.
Numerous Studies have Concluded that Tires Expire in Six Years
These studies conclusively conclude the following:
Tires begin to weaken and fall apart as they age.
The tire aging process happens regardless of whether a tire is on a vehicle or in a temperature-controlled room.
Most tires begin to significantly degrade around five years from the date of manufacture.
Six years from the date of manufacture, most tires are no longer safe for use on a vehicle.

EXPIRED TIRES ARE A HIDDEN HAZARD

Tire aging is a “hidden hazard” because most consumers don’t know that tires expire in six years and it is difficult for most consumers to tell how old a tire is without deciphering an 11 digit code that is imprinted on the side of the tire. Fortunately, you can crack the code on the side of a tire to determine a tire’s actual age. You can either obtain a free Tire Facts Report from this website or you can do it the old-fashioned way. Federal rules mandate that the tire’s D.O.T. code be clearly branded or etched on the side of each tire. 3 For most tires, the D.O.T. number is typically 11 digits. If the tire has only 10 digits, the tire was manufactured before the year 2000. A current D.O.T. number looks like this for a tire made in the fifth week of 2011:
 

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I hear ya on the 4runner. Love those! I wasnt exactly looking for rav4. My jeep has hit that state where tossing more money into it doesnt make sense. The girlfriend just bought a new car and offered the rav4 at the same price she was offered for a trade in. Its a god stop gap for now as im paying the ex a G/month and have kids getting ready for post secondary. Figured could drive it for a couple of years then when the poop has stopped hitting the fan, would get the car i WANT and sell the rav4. they hold their value and seem to go forever so i wasnt worried. Dont like the fact that some 08s can be oil burners tho. That aint good!
 

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I hear ya on the 4runner. Love those! ..........
DsrtRat - don't know where your from / but I found DuraShield is the best wax-oil spray undercoating around. Not a fan of water-soluble Krown or Rust Check.
- really helps keep the RAV4 protected in winter / and maintain high resale value
- wife's RAV4 has 65,000 km trouble free in +2 years / still worth what we paid for it, but a v6

I got very lucky finding a Gen3 T4R in mint shape, rare in Ontario.
My dealer friend purchased it for me, out of a dealer-2-dealer auction from Lexus/Toyota in
St. Catharines, ON.
- 1 senior owner / original paint & rust free / dealer maintained & garage kept
- a 2000 SR5 with 129,600 Km ... a pampered survivor, in this salt belt region
I like my wife's v6 Limited, for family driving / but for the Doberman and I, the old 4Runner is a perfect DD'er, for a retired guy.

My twin brother is a Jeep TJ guy & imported a nice 2000 Wrangler, out of the States.
- I told him for a decade, buy yourself a 2000-2004 Chev Z71 4x4 truck & the Jeep will sit parked
- now he is sold on the Z71 and bought a 2nd one to restore...Hehe
- same gas mileage, with tons of room and hauling capacity


 

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Thats a nice beast. Youre lucky to have one with a clean frame. the tao drivers got new frames but the pre-2003 4runners have had plenty of frame issues with no help from yota. Im not far from you. Im in guelph.
 

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EXPIRED TIRES ARE A HIDDEN HAZARD

Tire aging is a “hidden hazard” because most consumers don’t know that tires expire in six years and it is difficult for most consumers to tell how old a tire is without deciphering an 11 digit code that is imprinted on the side of the tire. Fortunately, you can crack the code on the side of a tire to determine a tire’s actual age. You can either obtain a free Tire Facts Report from this website or you can do it the old-fashioned way. Federal rules mandate that the tire’s D.O.T. code be clearly branded or etched on the side of each tire. 3 For most tires, the D.O.T. number is typically 11 digits. If the tire has only 10 digits, the tire was manufactured before the year 2000. A current D.O.T. number looks like this for a tire made in the fifth week of 2011:

I read that when it was published. According to that I've been living mostly on borrowed time for my 50+ years of driving since I've often driven even at Interstate highway speeds on tires older than 6 years. With one motorcycle it was unused for a number of years, then I began using it again to commute at highway speeds with one tire being about 20 years old. No blowouts, no leaks, no problems. Current RAV tires are 6+ years old. At least if I have a blowout and the crash wipes me out the money I've saved over the years will pay for my funeral! :smile
 
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