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Finally, I might just wait for Toyota's pure electric vehicles. I still put a $1k deposit on the Tesla Model 3 but I'm so glad Toyota and Honda are joining the BEV bandwagon! No need to consider possibly German over-engineered electric vehicles.


Now Toyota can make electric cars: it's tamed lithium-ion batteries, it says
Now Toyota can make electric cars: it's tamed lithium-ion batteries, it says

Toyota EV With More Than 300 km (186 miles) Range Is Coming By 2020
Toyota EV With More Than 300 km (186 miles) Range Is Coming By 2020
 

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Plug in electric is a dead concept. It doesn't save the environment, certainly doesn't save money. Toyota is heavily invested in fuel cell technology, not EV. While plug-in electric may be a short term addition to their line, it isn't particularly earth-friendly. It doesn't even lessen the demand for fossil fuel.
 

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Plug in electric is a dead concept. It doesn't save the environment, certainly doesn't save money. Toyota is heavily invested in fuel cell technology, not EV. While plug-in electric may be a short term addition to their line, it isn't particularly earth-friendly. It doesn't even lessen the demand for fossil fuel.
What's the reasoning why EV does not necessarily save the environment?
I'm wondering because I was en-route to eventually purchasing EV later on
after I get used to driving hybrid..
 

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What's the reasoning why EV does not necessarily save the environment?
I'm wondering because I was en-route to eventually purchasing EV later on
after I get used to driving hybrid..
He said plug-in, not pure battery electric vehicle (BEV), which is going to be my next car purchase.
 

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He said plug-in, not pure battery electric vehicle (BEV), which is going to be my next car purchase.
Would a pure battery electric charge purely on regenerative braking/coasting?
I haven't heard of such a thing.
I only know of plugin charging electric vehicles which store charge in batteries.
Are there other forms of electric vehicles that aren't plugin for commercial use?
 

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Would a pure battery electric charge purely on regenerative braking/coasting?
I haven't heard of such a thing.
I only know of plugin charging electric vehicles which store charge in batteries.
Are there other forms of electric vehicles that aren't plugin for commercial use?
Tesla's on Uber.
 

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What's the reasoning why EV does not necessarily save the environment?
I'm wondering because I was en-route to eventually purchasing EV later on
after I get used to driving hybrid..
The vast majority of electricity is generated by fossil fuels. Much of that is still coal. So if you plug any car into the wall, you're burning coal and gas. Adding to the effects of the fuel for generation, those fuels further need hauling and refinement. So it's actually better for the environment in that comparison to use hybrid power.

Obviously numbers vary according to local power generation scenarios, and who's interpreting the numbers. But EV systems aren't really more "eco-friendly" than hybrids. And where they are, its not by much.

If you're off the grid and generating your own power then its a different story.
 

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EV's do have the benefit of the battery doing double duty. They are capable to be like the Tesla wall batteries, smoothing out demand for the electric companies so they don't need to build more plants.
 

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Would a pure battery electric charge purely on regenerative braking/coasting?
I haven't heard of such a thing.
I only know of plugin charging electric vehicles which store charge in batteries.
Are there other forms of electric vehicles that aren't plugin for commercial use?
The reason you haven't heard of it is that such a vehicle isn't possible. Regenerative braking recovers part of the energy used to accelerate the car - you still need an external energy source be it an ICE, externally charged battery or a fuel cell.

All current commercially available electric vehicles are either plug-in-hybrids or plug-in electric vehicles (PEV/BEV like the Leaf)
 

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The vast majority of electricity is generated by fossil fuels. Much of that is still coal. So if you plug any car into the wall, you're burning coal and gas. Adding to the effects of the fuel for generation, those fuels further need hauling and refinement. So it's actually better for the environment in that comparison to use hybrid power.

Obviously numbers vary according to local power generation scenarios, and who's interpreting the numbers. But EV systems aren't really more "eco-friendly" than hybrids. And where they are, its not by much.

If you're off the grid and generating your own power then its a different story.
While I mostly agree with you comment let me point out that power plants would have better energy transfer efficiency and lower emission comparing to car-board ICEs even when burning the same fuel. They have better instrument, and most importantly ample room to accommodate those instruments, to achieve this.
 

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If it was mandatory to purchase electric I would go with a Chevy Volt. Pure plug in only in the vast areas of Texas? Surely you jest.
 

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If it was mandatory to purchase electric I would go with a Chevy Volt. Pure plug in only in the vast areas of Texas? Surely you jest.
My buddy at work just got a Chevy Volt to replace his Prius which was washed away in the flood. He let me drive it and I was very impressed. He lives about a hour from work and makes it all the way on the electric motor. They are hard to find used, but he found a 2013 with 18K miles at a Carmax in Birmingham. He flew over there, drove it back and got it for $18K, which was less than half of what it sold for new.
 

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If it was mandatory to purchase electric I would go with a Chevy Volt. Pure plug in only in the vast areas of Texas? Surely you jest.

It's the same problem here. All electric? - maybe a Tesla, but they're relatively pricey and according to Consumer Reports they have a relatively high number of problems. Since a high percentage of over-the-mountains trips here are for medical specialist appointments about the last situation which drivers want to experience is having to stop and wait for a recharge before going to their destination. A very few people here have all-electrics such as Nissan Leafs, but they likely are used for short trips around town and occasional trips to the nearest larger town, 26 miles each direction. Suspect that they have a non-electric vehicle for longer trips.
 

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While I mostly agree with you comment let me point out that power plants would have better energy transfer efficiency and lower emission comparing to car-board ICEs even when burning the same fuel. They have better instrument, and most importantly ample room to accommodate those instruments, to achieve this.
Yes, as far as that goes, but then you have to transmit that energy and efficiency is gone. Massive amounts of energy lost in wires as heat and radiation. Centralized electricity generation was always a very bad idea.
 

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Yes, as far as that goes, but then you have to transmit that energy and efficiency is gone. Massive amounts of energy lost in wires as heat and radiation. Centralized electricity generation was always a very bad idea.

Not always true, or people would be running their own generator instead of paying electric bills. There are also costs to refine and disperse gasoline.

Let's put it this way: currently the benefit of EV is not significant enough to replace conventional cars in large scale. That's why we have a Hybrid.
 
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