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Updated pistons and rings - what's the difference?

24K views 28 replies 13 participants last post by  JFender86  
All these theories are nice, but let me throw out some fact. That two peice oil ring design Toyota used , is a High performance racing piston design for motors that see oil changes every 15 hours and piston replacements every 135 hours, which avoids the oil ring cloggage issue. When you start running these oil rings more than 500 hours, cloggage starts happening.
By the way, its not the piston oil return holes that clog, its the tiny oil ring holes that clog, That notch they did away with, does nothing, as pistons with out the notch will still get a clogged oil ring with that 2 peice oil ring design once you start going over 500 hours.
 
Thank you very much for that very useful information. I did not know that the 2-piece oil ring was a racing design. That makes sense. I suppose Toyota was trying to meet ambitious mpg mandates and so used a design that the engineers must have known would clog. Care Care Nut on youtube states that the 2AR-FE avoids the problem by using thin 0W oil and a built in oil separator (catch can). The 2AR pistons look the same as the so-called defective 2AZ pistons.
Mahle/Elko-konig are big users for racing application pistons for a typical single compression ring piston, Thin oils may aide. I like the ring design , cause as long as it doesnt completely clog up, oil usage is like zero, and this is even with like 20w50 oils, but again Im talking 15 hour or sub 1000 hour oil changes is my experience, before 30 or 40,000 mile tear down and replacement.

I dont know if a very thin Group 4 type oil would prolong carbon build up in the oil ring ports, but to me street cars, the typical 3 peice ring with larger oil return holes , seems better for longevity to avoid the carbon build up issue (pluggage).

My wife has a 2003 Rav 4 190,000 miles , I add maybe half a quart in 4000 miles, Id say it has a traditional 3 peice oil ring, but I dont know for sure. But I was Surprised, when I saw what oil ring toyota was using for vehicles showing long term oil control issues, that you normally want to see go 200,000 miles without oil usage.