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I picked up my Ltd V6 last week. Very pleased with the way it handles and feels on the road.

I have an initial report on fuel consumption and am quite pleased with the results.

70% city and 30% highway, driving sedately most of the time with light throttle application with the occasional burst of power, the Rav averaged 11.7L/100km or 20 USmpg.

I filled the gas tank up. Drove 90% rural country roads with stops and starts and 10% city and averaged 9L/100km or 26 mgp US.

These are the results I was expecting, and am quite pleased. Of course, the more power you use, especially in the city, the higher the consumption will be. But I can see the V6 rav giving 8L/100km or 29 mpg US on the highway using the cruise control at 120kmh or 75mph.

After I picked up the Rav I immediately went to trade in the Yokohama G091 for Bridgestone Alenzas 235-65-17. I chose this tire primarily based on test results and reviews on Tire Rack.

So far I am pleased with the Tires performance they seem to handle quite well and be comfortable.

I have been a sports car oriented persons, owning since new a 1987 Toyota Supra Turbo with $15,000 of upgrades (which I may sell soon) and a BMW 330i, so I am demanding when it comes to Tire choice.

I have not taken pictures yet.
 

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I am quite surprised at how acceptable the stock Geolander G091 tires are. We have had a fair bit of snow since I got my new Rav and the tires work well enough that I can comfortably wait until fall before I put on new winter tires.
 
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How do the Geo 091 perform under braking and cornering in snow and ice? I had to trade mine right away to get a good price. We have not had any snow to speak of here in the Toronto area, since December.
 
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Not all Geos are created equal in performance! Normally, OEM tires are barelly adequate in the wet and very pour in the snow and on ice. Why do you think there are so many accidents after the first snow fall of the season. Poor driving, bad judgement and ignorance of drivers on the ability of their tires and vehicles. Check the TireRack survey, and you will see that most OEM GEOs and Duelers rank very poorly in adverse weather conditions. The tire I bought is a tire that ranks at the very top in tests particularly in adverse weather conditions and it happens to have excellent dry performance too. That is why I bought this tire for grip in bad weather. When I test them on snow and ice, I will decide whether to get winter tires or not. At $100 a tire after trade in, it is a small price that I am willing to pay for better grip in poor weather.
 
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Thanks for the mileage report. Considering the output of the V6 that mileage is pretty damn good. My initial reservations regarding the V6 mileage are definitely unfounded. Heck, that mileage is better than the fiance's s2000 that we'll be replacing the Rav4 with and the rav4 takes 87octane too. =D
 

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In response to the OEM Yok tires, there is no survey results for our particular tire model on Tirerack's website. Where did you find this info?

An interesting fact is that the Yok tire is considerably more expensive than the Bridgestone tire.

Our calculated MPG was at least 22.5 mpg for the 4x4 model. Not sure if the dealer fully topped off the car before delivery. Driving conditions were a 60/40 mix of city vs highway. No jackrabbit starts, but not tip-toeing the throttle either.
 

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Jean said:
How do the Geo 091 perform under braking and cornering in snow and ice?
I am not an experianced test driver but I have spent the last 30 winters driving on ice and snow. I think that the stock Yokohama Geo 091 tires are as good as any other all season tire that I have used which includes the Michelin MXV4+ tires on our Accord. Don't forget that these are new tires and are probably at their best right now since the rubber is still soft, but I am in no hurry to change them as long as they keep performing as they are now.
 
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Thanks for you input MHGSX. You are correct there is no specific reference to the GEO 91 in the survey and I new that. My comment reads [Check the TireRack survey, and you will see that most OEM GEOs and Duelers rank very poorly in adverse weather conditions.]

The Dueler 687 which came on early production V6 and all 4cyl, rank very poorly in the survey and when I tested the 4 cyl model that was apparent especially in the wet. From the early comments, the Geo 91 appears to be a good tire and I hope this is the case. My choice for the Alenzas was made, and I have now driven 670km on them and am very pleased with dry handling and ride comfort (It has not rained or snowed where I live since I picked up the Rav). If I had not been pleased, I could have returned them (and still can) at no cost to me because they are sold with a 30 day full refund return warranty.

I dispute your assertion, that the Yoks are more expensive than the Bridgestones. Not at my tire Dealer. Similar characteristic tires, are priced to be competitive and you will see that on most web sites. Yokohama sells some highly specialised street racing tires that have a very sticky rubber compound and are very expensive. Michelin tends to be more expensive than Bridgestone and Yoks for like tires.

I wrote about my choice for information purposes to members.

Before I set out to measure fuel consumption, I always make sure that the tank is full to the brim.[/quote]
 

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An interesting fact is that the Yok tire is considerably more expensive than the Bridgestone tire.
A fact I found out the hard way after having to replace the left rear on my wife's new RAV that got a screw in the sidewall. :evil:
 

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Thanks for you input MHGSX. You are correct there is no specific reference to the GEO 91 in the survey and I new that. My comment reads [Check the TireRack survey, and you will see that most OEM GEOs and Duelers rank very poorly in adverse weather conditions.]

The Dueler 687 which came on early production V6 and all 4cyl, rank very poorly in the survey and when I tested the 4 cyl model that was apparent especially in the wet. From the early comments, the Geo 91 appears to be a good tire and I hope this is the case. My choice for the Alenzas was made, and I have now driven 670km on them and am very pleased with dry handling and ride comfort (It has not rained or snowed where I live since I picked up the RAV). If I had not been pleased, I could have returned them (and still can) at no cost to me because they are sold with a 30 day full refund return warranty.

I dispute your assertion, that the Yoks are more expensive than the Bridgestones. Not at my tire Dealer. Similar characteristic tires, are priced to be competitive and you will see that on most web sites. Yokohama sells some highly specialised street racing tires that have a very sticky rubber compound and are very expensive. Michelin tends to be more expensive than Bridgestone and Yoks for like tires.

I wrote about my choice for information purposes to members.

Before I set out to measure fuel consumption, I always make sure that the tank is full to the brim.
The price difference I was referring to was that of the OEM Bridgestones, as evidenced here:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Compare1.jsp?width=225/&ratio=65&diameter=17&startIndex=0&search=true&pagelen=20&pagenum=1&pagemark=1&RunFlat=All&x=97&y=9

You'll note that even the Alenza's are cheaper.

I won't argue that the Yoks are better than the Alenzas, I'm sure they are. It just would have been more beneficial to the community for a direct A vs B comparison.
 

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The Geos were also on the 4's. We have em and Id have seen MORE 4 cylinders with Geos then Bridgestones on em

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Thanks for you input MHGSX. You are correct there is no specific reference to the GEO 91 in the survey and I new that. My comment reads [Check the TireRack survey, and you will see that most OEM GEOs and Duelers rank very poorly in adverse weather conditions.]

The Dueler 687 which came on early production V6 and all 4cyl, rank very poorly in the survey and when I tested the 4 cyl model that was apparent especially in the wet. From the early comments, the Geo 91 appears to be a good tire and I hope this is the case. My choice for the Alenzas was made, and I have now driven 670km on them and am very pleased with dry handling and ride comfort (It has not rained or snowed where I live since I picked up the RAV). If I had not been pleased, I could have returned them (and still can) at no cost to me because they are sold with a 30 day full refund return warranty.

I dispute your assertion, that the Yoks are more expensive than the Bridgestones. Not at my tire Dealer. Similar characteristic tires, are priced to be competitive and you will see that on most web sites. Yokohama sells some highly specialised street racing tires that have a very sticky rubber compound and are very expensive. Michelin tends to be more expensive than Bridgestone and Yoks for like tires.

I wrote about my choice for information purposes to members.

Before I set out to measure fuel consumption, I always make sure that the tank is full to the brim.
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Thanks for your feedback. I too wished that there had been a direct comparison. It seems though that this Yok 91A is a totally new tire built by Yokohama for the Rav. So no historical comparison was available. As for the price, if it is a tire that has a limited supply and application to one or very few vehicles, the retail cost is going to be higher especially for a consumer that wishes to replace only one or two tires. The consumer is obliged to buy the same tire type therefore the manufacturer has more control over price. Also, if the manufacturer produces very few sizes in this model of tire, his manufacturing costs are going to be higher. I am convinced that if Yokohama produced as many sizes of the 91A as the Alenzas, the price would come down to be competitive. The good old law of supply and demand.

I am nevertheless, so far very happy with my choice ( I went up one size to 235). But at the same time I hope that these YoK 91As (unlike the horrible Dueler 687s) continue to prove to be much superior to what OEM tires usually are, especially in bad weather we can only benefit from our fellow drivers having cars with good rubber on the road.
 
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I plan on driving on these tires until they need replaced, and then replacing them with Bridgestone Dueler H/L Alenzas. They seem to have really good reviews.
 

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Jean said:
[Check the TireRack survey, and you will see that most OEM GEOs and Duelers rank very poorly in adverse weather conditions.]

The Dueler 687 which came on early production V6 and all 4cyl, rank very poorly in the survey and when I tested the 4 cyl model that was apparent especially in the wet.
I wish I did some research before replacing my OEM Bridgestone Duelers last year. :? I got another set of Duelers (H/T 684 II) from Costco, and noticed that they are very prone to hydroplaning. I have hydroplaned at least 4 times at speeds as low as 45 - 50 mph. :shock:

I am definitely switching tires as soon as possible. Hydroplaning is not a fun feeling at all. :evil:
 

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The best tires I have experience with in everyday driving and wet / snow traction are Bridgestone Alenzas, Revos and Michelin Cross Terrains. Too bad Revos and Cross Terrains dont make tires for the RAV4 yet.
 
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