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For those of you who own or have test driven the hybrid, do you find the wind noise to be loud?

I read on CR that Toyota would be fixing the problem for the 2020s. I am not sure how bad it really is on the hybrids.
 

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CR's noise objection was engine noise, not wind noise, wind noise isn't a problem in mine nor was it in the two test drives. The 19 HV has a hood insulator which is what Toyota should have added to the '19 gas models and will in 2020 most likely, why they eliminated it for the 19s gas models when '16-'18s had one is puzzling.


https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/toyota/rav4/2019/road-test

The raucous-sounding engine is a major disappointment. It has a gritty throb that's very pronounced and unbecoming of a $30,000 vehicle. It’s hardly a consolation that road and wind noise stay in the background. Most competitors are far quieter. Toyota says it will address this problem for the 2020 model year.
 

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None of these are reported yet on Hybrid’s to my knowledge. In addition, as quickedtoo just mentioned, there aren’t wind noise complaints, just engine noise, which the hybrid addresses by adding a hood liner.

Also, one of those links points to issues with the automatic 8 speed transmission. All hybrids have the CVT.
 

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Hybrid engine noise is also smoother due to the engine being tuned for best fuel economy mixed with electric power.

Quickdtoo, I'd be curious of how a hybrid would sound to you compared with your Rav4 with the added hood insulation. My wife and I test drove one in Hilsboro and found the engine noise to be much "smoother" than the non hybrid and actually quite pleasant.
 

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The conclusion is that you have to wait a year to buy a good Toyota model. And what about those who already bought or buy 2019?

"Oh, good freaking grief." That would be my comment. By all means, just wait until the sixth generation arrives, then get a good deal on a fifth generation. All I can tell you is that I'm REALLY ENJOYING my 2019 Limited AWD with the Advanced Technology package. It was made in Japan, if that might have helped me avoid the "issues" a few other folks have complained about.


The mirror? A member just mentioned the difference between mirrors with blind spot monitoring and those without. "Mirrors aren't just mirrors anymore." My BSM mirror might be the slightest bit convex, but I got used to it within ONE DAY. By all means, while you're waiting for the sixth generation so you can buy a fifth generation at a better price, for God's sake don't buy anything with any options whatsoever. You might even see if you could get the dealer to rip out all of the safety systems, as well.



Moving along, I haven't heard or felt any issues whatsoever with the drive line.


As for "engine noise," you can load up your vehicle with as much sound deadening as you'd like. But I noticed a DRAMATIC reduction in engine noise as I learned to work with the transmission, and it learned to work with me. Engine noise gets pronounced when you get over 3,000 RPM, and YOU JUST DON'T NEED TO GO THERE unless you're passing, or stomping on it to go quite a lot faster than the other drivers around you -- that kind of thing. That's how Toyota has tuned the engine to provide quiet, efficient power in most driving situations, yet provide enough power that they could get away without installing a gas-guzzling V6 engine. In "normal" driving, you rarely see anything above 2,000 RPM, and I have found that the best way to accelerate in normal traffic is to "let your transmission do the work," rather than giving it more gas -- you'll get up to speed quickly and quietly, absolutely no slower than any of the other drivers around you. But in the end, this is the kind of thing you learn over a short period of time, but you may not quite figure it all out during a routine test drive.


And finally, bear in mind that all gas-powered models have the three driving modes -- ECO, Normal, and Sport. Good grief, TRY THEM and use them if you like how the car drives better with one than the others, in typical situations. Perhaps the most significant difference the three modes make in your driving is in the "transmission shifting programs" they use, and you might very well prefer one mode over the others, in different situations. Again, try them, and use them!


And so on. Bear in mind that there are thousands -- and soon there will be hundreds of thousands -- of RAV4 drivers out there, and thus we get an extremely skewed look into RAV4 ownership by reading the relative handful of messages that get posted in a forum like this. I always recommend taking a very common-sense "reality check" when reading forum messages, so indeed, that's something you could give a shot, as well.
 

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Hybrid engine noise is also smoother due to the engine being tuned for best fuel economy mixed with electric power.

Quickdtoo, I'd be curious of how a hybrid would sound to you compared with your Rav4 with the added hood insulation. My wife and I test drove one in Hilsboro and found the engine noise to be much "smoother" than the non hybrid and actually quite pleasant.
I'd love to, but all the HVs so far have been sold before they hit the lot, they had 2 XLEs and an LE in last Monday, all sold, 2 still had the protective wrap on them! Their first Limited was sold before I could get out there to just look at it, they have a RFP Limited HV on the website now, I'm going out tomorrow to see if it's actually there, but I suspect if it is, it's already sold too.
 

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THoots, just relax and please skip the all caps in a response. It’s shouting.

I like to read posts from all points of view,
not just hosannas from the choir. That’s OK too, but overdoing the accolades isn’t convincing. A post that long and emphatic reads fanboy.

When there are thousands of owners out there more data points will be available. That will be a good thing.

EJ
 

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"Oh, good freaking grief." That would be my comment. By all means, just wait until the sixth generation arrives, then get a good deal on a fifth generation. All I can tell you is that I'm REALLY ENJOYING my 2019 Limited AWD with the Advanced Technology package. It was made in Japan, if that might have helped me avoid the "issues" a few other folks have complained about.


The mirror? A member just mentioned the difference between mirrors with blind spot monitoring and those without. "Mirrors aren't just mirrors anymore." My BSM mirror might be the slightest bit convex, but I got used to it within ONE DAY. By all means, while you're waiting for the sixth generation so you can buy a fifth generation at a better price, for God's sake don't buy anything with any options whatsoever. You might even see if you could get the dealer to rip out all of the safety systems, as well.



Moving along, I haven't heard or felt any issues whatsoever with the drive line.


As for "engine noise," you can load up your vehicle with as much sound deadening as you'd like. But I noticed a DRAMATIC reduction in engine noise as I learned to work with the transmission, and it learned to work with me. Engine noise gets pronounced when you get over 3,000 RPM, and YOU JUST DON'T NEED TO GO THERE unless you're passing, or stomping on it to go quite a lot faster than the other drivers around you -- that kind of thing. That's how Toyota has tuned the engine to provide quiet, efficient power in most driving situations, yet provide enough power that they could get away without installing a gas-guzzling V6 engine. In "normal" driving, you rarely see anything above 2,000 RPM, and I have found that the best way to accelerate in normal traffic is to "let your transmission do the work," rather than giving it more gas -- you'll get up to speed quickly and quietly, absolutely no slower than any of the other drivers around you. But in the end, this is the kind of thing you learn over a short period of time, but you may not quite figure it all out during a routine test drive.


And finally, bear in mind that all gas-powered models have the three driving modes -- ECO, Normal, and Sport. Good grief, TRY THEM and use them if you like how the car drives better with one than the others, in typical situations. Perhaps the most significant difference the three modes make in your driving is in the "transmission shifting programs" they use, and you might very well prefer one mode over the others, in different situations. Again, try them, and use them!


And so on. Bear in mind that there are thousands -- and soon there will be hundreds of thousands -- of RAV4 drivers out there, and thus we get an extremely skewed look into RAV4 ownership by reading the relative handful of messages that get posted in a forum like this. I always recommend taking a very common-sense "reality check" when reading forum messages, so indeed, that's something you could give a shot, as well.
I'm very happy for you that you have not had any issues, seriously. But it sucks for the owners that have more than just trivial issues when Toyota is just comes back and says that "there's nothing wrong with your vehicle" in spite of the fact that their specialist witnessed said issues. TOTALLY unacceptable in my view. And I'm sorry, but having to try to find some other drivetrain mode than the normal default mode is not an acceptable long term solution. Neither is having the dealer service manager telling me to let my car idle and warm up before driving it. I've watched plenty of Toyota's "your life is gonna be awesome if you buy a Toyota" advertisements that lead people to believe they're going to get the best thing since sliced bread and that the ownership experience is gonna be awesome. At this point, for me, it's a complete fabrication. What I'm experiencing IS NOT what I payed $30,000 plus dollars for, and what expectation do I have of this thing lasting anywhere close to 200k miles w/out any serious powertrain issue at this point? Who in their right mind should be satisfied with this situation?

And I don't mind telling you that at this point, because of Toyota's response to my situation, I personally want hundreds of thousands of people to know what they might possibly end up dealing with. Because I'm one of MANY real Toyota customers that is being DISMISSED as if my expectations are unreasonable. It's absurd and insulting.

But good for you, you got a good one. And also, good for you that you got used to your mirror in "one day". Your "mirrors aren't mirrors anymore" wisdom is complete rubbish. Last time I checked a mirror's job is to provide a clear reflection of an object that is not in the viewer's line of sight. When a mirror doesn't do that, IT'S DEFECTIVE, period end of story. You shouldn't have to squint, or have your eyes do gymnastics to try and see out of it. Doesn't matter if the mirror has an etched-out spot and BSM hardware behind it, now DOES IT, because it's a MIRROR FIRST AND FOREMOST. My 2018 LE AWD Rav4 that I bought back in September HAD NONE of the problems my 2019 has. But oh, wait, YOURS is perfect so everybody else must be making stuff up, right? Sure you don't work for Toyota or own a bunch of their stock???

BTW, my 2019 AWD LE Rav4 was manufactured in JAPAN in December. Two other similar vehicles on the dealer lot that I just test drove with the Toyota specialist exhibited the same type of behavior as mine does. Not sure about the mirrors, I wasn't paying them too much mind, BUT I will tell you that my original mirror was terrible and while the replacement is better, it still isn't the way a mirror should be. But, oh right, sorry, I forgot. Your vehicle is just fine, so I guess I must be imagining things.

If you'll please excuse me now, I'm gonna go off and watch some more of Toyota's "Let's go places" commercials.
 

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It’s absurd


BTW, my 2019 AWD LE Rav4
You know what’s absurd? Spending half an hour writing out an overly long winded reply that has nothing to do with the topic [see: wind noise], and further, flying off the handle about your 8 speed transmission issues on the HYBRID sub forum, where discussion should be about HYBRID 2019+ RAV4’s, all of which come with a CVT.

That’s absurd.
 

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Yeah, sure. I’ll wait for the many owners that will post, eventually. Sites like this tend to get angry folks who have a bad experience and those who love no matter what.

It’s normal, MOL, for an owners site, no matter what the brand. Even so called neutral reviewers aren’t neutral, really. Just data points.

EJ


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Sure you don't work for Toyota or own a bunch of their stock?

Nope, neither. But over the past 50 years, I have learned that dealership service departments can do very little than REPLACE things. And you take a very certain risk that they will make your car WORSE with either the part they replaced your original with, or the way they ham-handedly did the removal and reinstallation. Mix in the fact that they have a VERY short period of time to do any "warranty work" or the manufacturer's reimbursement won't begin to pay them for the time they spent, and that risk goes up.


Forums like this are good soundboards to help comprehend whether you have much of a chance of your dealership getting its hands on a "better" part than your original -- has the manufacturer published a technical service bulletin about the issue? Something like that? If not, then your service folks aren't exactly wrong when they say that "they're all like that." Chances are excellent that they ARE all like that.


And if you think there should be no difference with the mirrors that have blind spot monitor LEDs built into them, I would invite you to go look into the costs of replacing a BSM mirror, compared to a mirror without one. I would expect that there's a whole lot more to a BSM mirror than just a piece of glass.
 
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