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You know what’s absurd? Spending half an hour writing out an overly long winded reply that has nothing to do with the topic [see: wind noise], and further, flying off the handle about your 8 speed transmission issues on the HYBRID sub forum, where discussion should be about HYBRID 2019+ RAV4’s, all of which come with a CVT. That’s absurd.

Two things:


1. I expect that I can type a whole lot faster than you can.


2. Indeed, the thread veered off-subject, but when someone says something essentially to the effect of "you dumb bastards who have already bought one," I'll chime in with my experiences. Only takes a couple of minutes.
 

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Hoots:
You are still typing in caps, and you still don’t get the message. Now you add cursing. Indeed it only takes a few key strokes to show yourself.

Please stop yelling if you want to be heard.

EJ


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Nope, neither. But over the past 50 years, I have learned that dealership service departments can do very little than REPLACE things. And you take a very certain risk that they will make your car WORSE with either the part they replaced your original with, or the way they ham-handedly did the removal and reinstallation. Mix in the fact that they have a VERY short period of time to do any "warranty work" or the manufacturer's reimbursement won't begin to pay them for the time they spent, and that risk goes up.
I agree. I would much rather have a vehicle that works out of the box than have to take it back and have the dealership fiddle around with my vehicle. So far, I've gotten my vehicle back with paint damage twice. First chip looks like it was gouged with the tip of the key that was held in the hand as the edge of the driver's door was pushed closed. Second event is a nice scuff high on the rear driver's side door. Likely happened when the tech and service manager were "crawling" all around it. I'm thrilled to say the least.

Forums like this are good soundboards to help comprehend whether you have much of a chance of your dealership getting its hands on a "better" part than your original -- has the manufacturer published a technical service bulletin about the issue? Something like that? If not, then your service folks aren't exactly wrong when they say that "they're all like that." Chances are excellent that they ARE all like that.
Well, in talking to people on various forums, and from some of the other vehicles I've driven, they're not all like that. Either way, having my dealer's service manager angrily tell me that my vehicle was "sound" is total bunk by any reasonable consumer's expectations. Again, I didn't pay over $30k for a vehicle that exhibits these symptoms. What I got is NOT what Toyota has been advertising.

And if you think there should be no difference with the mirrors that have blind spot monitor LEDs built into them, I would invite you to go look into the costs of replacing a BSM mirror, compared to a mirror without one. I would expect that there's a whole lot more to a BSM mirror than just a piece of glass.
If there's anything more to the mirror portion of a "BSM mirror" than a piece of silvered glass, that's Toyota's design mistake. I may be wrong, but I don't think that the sensors for the BSM system is in the mirror housing assembly itself anyway. I think the sensors are in the back quarter panel regions, maybe in the corners of the bumper cover itself. I think my mirrors are supposed to be heated as well. Be that as it may, I really don't care what's jammed into the mirror housing. It's garbage if the piece of silvered glass is shaped in such a way that makes viewing difficult. It's Toyota's problem and they better not be telling customers that they will just have to get used to it because the whole assembly is so much more technically advanced. That's one of the dumbest arguments ever and one that the Toyota specialist tried to use on me to try make me happy about my shifting issues. Because Toyota, I DON'T REALLY CARE, that's your engineer's problem, not mine. I'll take my business elsewhere until you can get that through your thick skulls.
 

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And here we go again... Some people are telling us Dutchies that we are rude and raw in our language. But what i experience here is IMHO even worse...
Come on guys, live and let live. Just a little respect to one others opinion; no need to shout out. We really need to learn from each other.
My 2 cents.
 

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Hybrid engine noise is also smoother due to the engine being tuned for best fuel economy mixed with electric power.

Quickdtoo, I'd be curious of how a hybrid would sound to you compared with your Rav4 with the added hood insulation. My wife and I test drove one in Hilsboro and found the engine noise to be much "smoother" than the non hybrid and actually quite pleasant.
I called the dealer, the RFP Ltd HV that's on their website isn't on the lot yet, and it's already sold, so no test drive yet. :frown
 

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I called the dealer, the RFP Ltd HV that's on their website isn't on the lot yet, and it's already sold, so no test drive yet. :frown
No experience with the all petrol model (not sold here), but the hybrid (FWD) is indeed a very smooth and silent ride. If i hear the engine sound from most petrol cars in some of the video's posted (Youtube) i sometimes wonder is there wasn't any window / sunroof open?

I test drove the hybrid twice, but it doesn't produce anywhere close that amount of engine noise. Of course there is a CVT mounted instead of the 8-speed automatic, and yes, you can hear it quit well while accelerating, but even then not even close.

BTW The strange gear shifting problems i read about is something that doesn't occur in the CVT-cars. Not in my current C-HR, not in the RAV4 HV. I think that ha to do with the new "fixed 1st gear" in the 8-speed?
 

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We have a 2018 Limited Hybrid (since Aug 2018) and find very little wind noise. In fact we purposely looked for this when we test drove a few 2018 models and the Hybrid seemed the most quiet of those we drove.
 

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I recently purchased Rav4 2019 XLE and when I am driving above 80km/hr then there is wind noise on top of driver window, but is ok on passenger side. Do you have guys have any solution for the wind noise on driver side.
 

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i do have the same problem, and i even tried to tape off the door gap to see if that would help, and it didn't. So i figured the noise was coming thru the window or somewhere else. Please report if anyone gets a solution.
 

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Nope, neither. But over the past 50 years, I have learned that dealership service departments can do very little than REPLACE things. And you take a very certain risk that they will make your car WORSE with either the part they replaced your original with, or the way they ham-handedly did the removal and reinstallation. Mix in the fact that they have a VERY short period of time to do any "warranty work" or the manufacturer's reimbursement won't begin to pay them for the time they spent, and that risk goes up.


Forums like this are good soundboards to help comprehend whether you have much of a chance of your dealership getting its hands on a "better" part than your original -- has the manufacturer published a technical service bulletin about the issue? Something like that? If not, then your service folks aren't exactly wrong when they say that "they're all like that." Chances are excellent that they ARE all like that.


And if you think there should be no difference with the mirrors that have blind spot monitor LEDs built into them, I would invite you to go look into the costs of replacing a BSM mirror, compared to a mirror without one. I would expect that there's a whole lot more to a BSM mirror than just a piece of glass.
I agree, and find that the less dealer service departments do to your vehicle the better. They can rarely diagnose anything more complicate than a hole in a muffler, seem to have little knowledge about how the vehicle was actually engineered, and are basically just guessing most of the time. You usually end up dealing with the unintended consequences of their "repair." The only exception is when a procedure or part replacement has been laid out for them in a TSB, and even then the work can be shoddy.
 
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