[SUV1]

I noticed Crutchfield lists several options for 2021s, but when I submitted 2024 and 2025, it says nothing fits.
What changed?
Are there really no aftermarket Pioneer, Alpine, or Sony units that work in 2024-2025s?

 

[FKHeath]

I noticed Crutchfield lists several options for 2021s, but when I submitted 2024 and 2025, it says nothing fits.
What changed?

In '23, Toyota changed the radio to a completely different one, different face, different size, and different wiring.

 

[SUV1]

In '23, Toyota changed the radio to a completely different one, different face, different size, and different wiring.

So, all the aftermarket head unit manufacturers decided to not create any updated head units?
Was this new head unit size and wiring created uniquely just for the 23-25 RAV4 and no other Toyota models?

 

[FKHeath]

So, all the aftermarket head unit manufacturers decided to not create any updated head units?
Was this new head unit size and wiring created uniquely just for the 23-25 RAV4 and no other Toyota models?

I don't know.

 

[Sienna1]

Usually take a few years after a change before something is available

 

[SUV1]

Usually take a few years after a change before something is available

That may be fine if they come out in the next 3 years or so.
I’m mostly thinking about how the factory head units are unlikely to last the life of the vehicle. In 10-15 years, any replacement OEM units you find in a junkyard are also going to be super old and prone to fail and factory new may not be available. If available at all, factory new replacements may be listed at a crazy price of several thousand dollars that will rival or exceed the vehicle’s value.

 

[GeorgeRushed]

That may be fine if they come out in the next 3 years or so.
I’m mostly thinking about how the factory head units are unlikely to last the life of the vehicle. In 10-15 years, any replacement OEM units you find in a junkyard are also going to be super old and prone to fail and factory new may not be available. If available at all, factory new replacements may be listed at a crazy price of several thousand dollars that will rival or exceed the vehicle’s value.

I'm mostly thinking how long a new 'standard' is both around before after market options become available AND how long that 'new standard' lasts before yet another 'new standard' is used.

Frankly in +60yrs I've NEVER 'had to' change a car radio/entertainment system because of a FAILURE of it.

Not once.

Obviously YMMV.

 

[SUV1]

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I'm mostly thinking how long a new 'standard' is both around before after market options become available AND how long that 'new standard' lasts before yet another 'new standard' is used.

Frankly in +60yrs I've NEVER 'had to' change a car radio/entertainment system because of a FAILURE of it.

Not once.

Obviously YMMV.

The newer entertainment systems are much more failure prone and fragile than the basic car radio systems from 20 or more years ago. In the distant past, if they did fail, you could easily just buy an aftermarket system that plugged in to the same space.
It’s highly unlikely that most of the current big screen, touchscreen, radios full of buggy software and computers are going to still be working in 15 years. The vehicle as a whole should last at least 20 years if not 30+ years before most are in junkyards, but most of the entertainment systems will fail long before then.

 

[PrimeTimeinKY]

I have a 21 Prime SE - if you really dig into it, you'll need a maestro compatible unit to retain the factory settings options, the camera, etc with an aftermarket radio - BUT for whatever reason none of the integrations work with the steering wheel controls yet. The Prime has an encrypted CAN bus and I believe they are trying to use CAN commands for steering wheel controls - this works on the hybrid/gas Rav4s but not the prime because of the encryption. I don't know why they won't just program those units to use the old wire-tap method at the steering wheel harness because those connections are still there, and very much analog like decades of cars before. I've emailed iDatalink about theirs but no fix yet. So for me, no steering wheel controls = not replacing the head unit....

 

[Greasy]

Automakers want you to accept the consensus drone lifestyle. You can have it in any color you want as long as its black.

I'd lose too many features that the automaker thought was necessary for headunit annoyances. I want the radio to be a radio. I don't want to make vehicle adjustments or log data or change hvac or mpg or whatever. Problem is, automakers created the foolishness and you will accept it, or the lashings begin.

For now, I have been shopping for a dsp or dspamp, that'll take other inputs. This way, if I use the radio, all will be consensus boring. If I keep the radio off, I can stream the cellphone into the dsp or use any mp3/flac music player.

On my previous car from 2019, not a Toyota, I was able to fit a headunit. But, I had to plug the factory headunit into the harness to reset the daily savings time twice a year. Nothing like having to make a y-harness and extension. Its getting more difficult now to deal with GeorgeOrwells 1984.

I was able to kill this useless bloated pig and remove the app from the cellphone..
Drive Pulse : Opt-Out
Per your request, you have waived your Connected Services by Toyota.
Your vehicle is no longer transmitting location, driving, and vehicle health data to Toyota. Without the transmission of your vehicle's data, you acknowledge we are unable to provide Connected Services. The following services will not function in your vehicle: Safety Connect (which includes Automatic Collision Notification, Enhanced Roadside Assistance, emergency and stolen vehicle assistance), Remote Connect, Service Connect, Drive Connect, and Wi-Fi Connect.

Now I just need to order a couple of these before they are outlawed

Toyota DCM/Safety Connect Bypass Harness - Fits 2020+ Toyota Vehicles

Adapter kit for Disconnecting the Data Communication Module (DCM) on a Toyota vehicle without disabling the front right speaker or handsfree bluetooth microphone

www.autoharnesshouse.com

Removing the headunit is now a blackmarket enterprise. The MIB are watching you thru their sunglasses.