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#41 ·
Rav4-lim said:
Which Toyota product number?
I know initial fills are loaded with stuff, but never heard over-counter oil being extra loaded.
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www.amazon.com

Amazon.com: Toyota Genuine SAE 0W-16 Synthetic Motor Oil Pack of 6 (6 x 1 U.S QUART) : Automotive

Buy Toyota Genuine SAE 0W-16 Synthetic Motor Oil Pack of 6 (6 x 1 U.S QUART): Motor Oils - Amazon.com âś“ FREE DELIVERY possible on eligible purchases
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Toyota’s only 0w-16 product I’m aware of. It has a much higher moly count that Mobil 1 according to numerous oil analysis tests.
Initial fills are no different, at least in most modern vehicles to include all US Toyota models. “Break in” oil isn’t as much of a thing as it used to be.
 
#42 ·
Tests of the factory fill aren’t necessarily indicative of the oil itself. Initial fills may appear to have high levels of molybdenum, but it’s actually from grease and such from assembly of the engine. It’ll be gone after that first drain and fill (not to say Toyota doesn’t have higher moly than Mobil 1, just clarifying the “initial fill” idea).
 
#43 ·
Turtlepowa said:
Reusing aluminum drain plug gaskets is silly. MSRP on the toyota crush washer is $1.13. Blows my mind that people won't replace a $1 part as part of an oil change. Toyota part number 90430-12031
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What would you do if you changed your oil and that silly $1.00 gasket did leak or miles down the road the oil light came on or shut the engine down, WOW I saved a whole dollar!! Do it right the first time!!
 
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MACK MAN said:
What would you do if you changed your oil and that silly $1.00 gasket did leak or miles down the road the oil light came on or shut the engine down, WOW I saved a whole dollar!! Do it right the first time!!
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your arguing with your advocate...:rolleyes: ;)
 
#46 ·
Rav4-lim said:
To preach it, is ok, to know why or why not is something totally different.
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I thought it was pretty obvious I meant if you remove the drain plug when changing the oil. Of course you don't need to replace the crush washer if you're doing the suction method. They're not felted washers, it's some other thin rubberized material. Any crush washer, plain jane aluminum with no fancy coating, is better than reusing an old crush washer.
 
#47 · (Edited)
Rav4Outdoorsman said:
www.amazon.com

Amazon.com: Toyota Genuine SAE 0W-16 Synthetic Motor Oil Pack of 6 (6 x 1 U.S QUART) : Automotive

Buy Toyota Genuine SAE 0W-16 Synthetic Motor Oil Pack of 6 (6 x 1 U.S QUART): Motor Oils - Amazon.com âś“ FREE DELIVERY possible on eligible purchases
www.amazon.com

Toyota’s only 0w-16 product I’m aware of. It has a much higher moly count that Mobil 1 according to numerous oil analysis tests.
Initial fills are no different, at least in most modern vehicles to include all US Toyota models. “Break in” oil isn’t as much of a thing as it used to be.
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Oddly, Toyota's own parts site doesn't list 0-20 or 0-16 ? I am sure it exists, but such odd info out there.

Then ask, why does a 0-16 need so much moly for? The more stuff you put in the oil, the less oil there is to lube and cool.

Genuine OEM Toyota Motor Oil & Transmission Fluid for Your Toyota

Shop Toyota service fluids, including genuine Toyota motor oil, coolant, and transmission fluid to keep your Toyota vehicle running great.
parts.toyota.com

From another online site talking about who makes Toyota oil"
"But don’t fall for those words because the answer lies in the specs. Due to having a different and more effective additive package, Toyota-branded oil costs more. "

Kinda BS. Yeah, add pak this, add pak that. Doesn't matter what the add paks are, engines have oil "service" specifications. If the oil meets the spec, then it meets the spec, and that's all that is "required". So why would Toyota ask Mobil to add more moly to the mix? To make it more expensive? Unless a std spec 0-16 can't do the job, then extra moly is just fluff, and not needed.
 
#48 ·
Rav4-lim said:
Oddly, Toyota's own parts site doesn't list 0-20 or 0-16 ? I am sure it exists, but such odd info out there.

Then ask, why does a 0-16 need so much moly for? The more stuff you put in the oil, the less oil there is to lube and cool.

Genuine OEM Toyota Motor Oil & Transmission Fluid for Your Toyota

Shop Toyota service fluids, including genuine Toyota motor oil, coolant, and transmission fluid to keep your Toyota vehicle running great.
parts.toyota.com
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Moly in oil is used as an anti-friction additive and assists with establishing proper film strength needed, so lubricity isn't really an issue. My concern would be stability/shearing/oil quality after the additive pack is exhausted. That's why I personally would run 10k mile intervals unless it was strictly highway mileage. This oil is already susceptible to fuel dilution and condensation on shorter trips, which is only exaggerated in such an oil. Good on Toyota boosting the additives to counter wear, but simply using 0w-20 as they have been for a decade would've been cheaper, better, and easier all around. The MPG benefits are negligible on a owner's level. Good ol CAFE at work (y)
 
#49 ·
Rav4Outdoorsman said:
Moly in oil is used as an anti-friction additive and assists with establishing proper film strength needed, so lubricity isn't really an issue.
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True, but oil service spec is all that is needed for the engine. To go above-beyond that spec means little in terms of overall engine performance or life. Does more moly hurt? Surely a debate we can all talk about. Not having the extra moly hurt anything? Nope.

Adding more moly to the accepted service spec oil, is just adding to the costs of the oil. To buy Toyota branded oil because it has more moly in it, means to me I am paying more for no good reason. If Toyota thinks their Mobil blended oil is better for XYZ reasons, then Toyota needs to back that claim with real data.
 
#50 ·
Rav4-lim said:
True, but oil service spec is all that is needed for the engine. To go above-beyond that spec means little in terms of overall engine performance or life. Does more moly hurt? Surely a debate we can all talk about. Not having the extra moly hurt anything? Nope.

Adding more moly to the accepted service spec oil, is just adding to the costs of the oil. To buy Toyota branded oil because it has more moly in it, means to me I am paying more for no good reason. If Toyota thinks their Mobil blended oil is better for XYZ reasons, then Toyota needs to back that claim with real data.
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Agreed. I’d never personally use it because of the markup in price alone. I don’t think Toyota themselves is claiming that, but numerous UOA and VOAs show it is quality stuff, especially compared to many off the shelf 0w-16s. Not a bad thing, but unnecessary for most in my opinion. If it’s to indeed push 10k mile service intervals, that’s simply silly and unfounded as you’ve stated.
 
#51 ·
Rav4-21 said:
I was having trouble finding the Mobil-1 0W16, but i ordered some from walmart.com and it was 24.00 or so for 5 quarts, i ordered 2 and free shipping.
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That's awesome and thanks for the tip. I couldn't find 0w-16 in any brand here, so I ordered a box of six quarts of Toyota oil on Amazon and that cost me $60. From what I understand, the expensive Toyota branded oil is made by Mobil-1 anyway. Same for the oil filter. Rebranded Wix/Napa Gold filters.
 
#52 ·
Fijipheene said:
That's awesome and thanks for the tip. I couldn't find 0w-16 in any brand here, so I ordered a box of six quarts of Toyota oil on Amazon and that cost me $60. From what I understand, the expensive Toyota branded oil is made by Mobil-1 anyway. Same for the oil filter. Rebranded Wix/Napa Gold filters.
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*Blended by Exxon Mobil. Not to be confused with M1 0w-16, as they are 2 completely different products. Most larger Walmarts also carry OEM Toyota denso filters as well, usually about $5-6.
 
#53 ·
Fijipheene said:
That's awesome and thanks for the tip. I couldn't find 0w-16 in any brand here, so I ordered a box of six quarts of Toyota oil on Amazon and that cost me $60. From what I understand, the expensive Toyota branded oil is made by Mobil-1 anyway. Same for the oil filter. Rebranded Wix/Napa Gold filters.
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Can you post a pic (front and back) of a oil bottle you get from Amazon. Curious to see if they are certified stamped.
 
#56 ·
I understand the suspicion, but I think it's legit. The production codes on the back match up with exxon/mobil's system, which I guess could be faked, but I don't think it is.
10221L24A (your bottle)
102 plant code, 21 year, L = Month #12/December, 24th day, A - first production run of the day

I've also attached some pics of my bottles which I got straight from a local dealership

Edit: My bottle has the same production info. Which might look suspicious, but it makes sense to me. I bet they do massive amounts of 0w-16, and maybe specifically toyota 0w-16 at one time. After that, they move onto other weights. I think I have heard car care nut talk about how different weights have been hard to get at times, makes sense if they do bulk production runs, and not a little of each all the time.
 
#57 ·
I still can't believe my local Wallyworld(s) and Costco don't stock anything in 0w-16 so I can just walk in and buy it. It's a MAJOR player in the oil game these days just from Toyota alone and it has been for years. It's not like it wouldn't sell.
 
#58 ·
Fijipheene said:
I still can't believe my local Wallyworld(s) and Costco don't stock anything in 0w-16 so I can just walk in and buy it. It's a MAJOR player in the oil game these days just from Toyota alone and it has been for years. It's not like it wouldn't sell.
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Well Costco appeals to masses and is going to sell products that sell in vast quantities. 0w-16 simply isn’t popular enough in the market yet. If you look at the oil they do sell, it’s usually 5w-30 and 0w-20, because these viscosities are most common across most manufacturers. It isn’t cost effective for them to carry 0w-16 knowing it only applies to a very limited customer base.
As for Walmart that’s a bit surprising, however an order can be place and you can usually pick up same or next day. Your local Napa may have their house brand 0w-16 in stock, which is blended by valvoline.
 
#60 ·
Fijipheene said:
Even with the gazillions of Toyotas, Lexuses and Hondas sold that use it?
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Yep. Go out in that Costco parking lot and tally all the vehicles that require 0w-16. Then tally the ones that take 5w-30/0w-20. It’s not cost effective for Costco to carry a product that caters to far less than 5% of passenger vehicles on the roads. It’s really that simple.
 
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