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#21 ·
Janos said:
Jimbow said:
Well, you may be right,but that dosen't speak well of todays drivers in a day when we are trapped in an oil addiction fed by murderous fanatics.I'm not doing anything special and it dosen't take much training to drive efficiently,considering whats in the balance,it might be worth a few simple modifications in driving habits.Maybe not.
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Just remember there's the school of thought that if you stop paying these murderous fanatics (who in many cases sell oil as a primary source of income), all you'll have is poor, desperate, murderous fanatics.

And I'm not ready to speak on everyone of today's drivers driving habits, because when the day comes when every destructive guilty pleasure has been eliminated from life, that'll be when you tell someone not to punch the pedal. Hmmm won't things be boring.

Why is every issue balanced on the backs of the middle class? The poor don't buy gas, the rich can afford it all and don't much care and the gov't gives you mph



ratings. So is it left to the stiff paying the freight, to not enjoy his V8 or V6 or even 4cyl?

Not saying I agree or don't with you. Devils advocate. :twisted: :D
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Oh man,you must not paying be attention to near future car technology.In the not too distant future production electric cars that develop hundreds of horsepower,and develop all that power and torque...Instantly,will assure that punching the pedal will continue to thrill enthusiasts for generations to come.Right now the internal combustion is pretty much the living dead whos days are numbered,for many reasons,most concerning health,safety and security of humans.
 
#22 ·
flyingn said:
More efficient engines are being made...Consider a new 4000 lb Impala SS with 303 hp v8 that gets almost 30 mph on ther highway. Compare that to a .. say.. 1970 Impala with a 300 hp 396 that gets about half that if lucky..
So yes they engines made today ARE VERY efficient.

Janos said:
.... unfortunately no one cares. The gov't is just a bunch of talking heads and the automakers are just a bunch of smoke blowers who'd rather r and d the glitz. That's why the mileage has been the same and in some case worse for the past 30 years. An article in the WSJ touched on that today. Over all these years they can make a car that parks itself but not a markedly more efficient engine.

All I can say about the ratings is that it's a reference point for buyers. Like any other rating or survey don't expect it to be gospel.
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I have a friend who owns the MontyCarlo version of the V8 that reduces dispalcement by half at highway speeds.When i asked him what milage he gets on the four cylinder mode,he said he didn't know,after 30,000 miles,he's never taken it on a highway trip long enough to find out.I'll bet that most of the HP cars will not see much long distance use and they still pump out tons of greenhouse gasses.Hey, noone has appreciated the pavement ripping horsepower of the American muscle car of the past more than myself,and there is strong reason to believe that performance cars will continue to be made long into the future,and even better and faster than ever,but they will take a badly needed different and cleaner route.That day is not that far away.
 
Discussion starter · #23 ·
Jimbow said:
Oh man,you must not paying be attention to near future car technology.In the not too distant future production electric cars that develop hundreds of horsepower,and develop all that power and torque...Instantly,will assure that punching the pedal will continue to thrill enthusiasts for generations to come.Right now the internal combustion is pretty much the living dead whos days are numbered,for many reasons,most concerning health,safety and security of humans.
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I really hope you're not holding your breath...lol :D

So it seems we will be all held hostage to the thieving electric companies because of the new demand on electric and the lack of capacity to generate it and the now poor, desperate, murderous fanatics. Sounds like a good deal. :thumbs_up:
 
#24 ·
Those new numbers seem a bit more accurate to me. I'm sort of a worst case city driver (well, almost), as most of my driving is 3 miles or less, but unless I get screwed by the lights, not so much stop and go.

I consistently get in the 19.x - 20.x range in the city.

I still don't know where they get their highway numbers. I've never gotten close to 27mpg, even on 100% interstate driving. Maybe if I drove 65mph, I would...but who does that? :)
 
#29 ·
The new EPA mpg estimate is 22mpg combined for my RAV.

For 2007, my RAV is averaging 23.52mpg: >70% city driving.

That's why it's called EPA estmate. :lol:
 
Discussion starter · #31 ·
RAVXD said:
everything is probably simulated in a air conditioned lab on a dyno............what a joke....... :roll: .........realistic my @$$........... :x
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And why is it a joke? Exactly what mileage do you expect from and "estimate"?
 
Discussion starter · #33 ·
RAVXD said:
its a joke because its not realisatic........its my opinion!!!!!!!........and im not getting in another pissin match w/ you over something stupid........... :roll:
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Not looking for a pissing match. Newbies come to the forum or others just trying to learn something. It's fine you give your opinion but most readers would just out of curiosity would like to know why.

I've actually measured my two vehicles against their ratings and found them to be fairly close for an "estimate". I don't understand why it's a joke that's all.
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I just took a trip with my pontiac and have found that their new ratings are very accurate per the cars mpg display. The ratings are 17 - 28. I got as high as 30 without traffic but as soon as traffic increased it dropped and stayed at 28.4. My pure city driving has always been 17 - 18.
 
#34 ·
Janos said:
RAVXD said:
its a joke because its not realisatic........its my opinion!!!!!!!........and im not getting in another pissin match w/ you over something stupid........... :roll:
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Not looking for a pissing match. Newbies come to the forum or others just trying to learn something. It's fine you give your opinion but most readers would just out of curiosity would like to know why.

I've actually measured my two vehicles against their ratings and found them to be fairly close for an "estimate". I don't understand why it's a joke that's all.
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I just took a trip with my pontiac and have found that their new ratings are very accurate per the cars mpg display. The ratings are 17 - 28. I got as high as 30 without traffic but as soon as traffic increased it dropped and stayed at 28.4. My pure city driving has always been 17 - 18.
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fair enough.........there are just too many factors that are involved in determining a realistic average..........as i pointed out in post #5..........if these tests were more predominant on being tested by means of realistic tempatures and in less controlled enviroments then yes there could be a better determined ratings.........

the epa ratings are no diffrent than the nhtsa testing vehs for safety in controlled enviroments which i beleive is a complete and utter joke..........these tests once again are inconsistant and have no valuble purpose other than giving the goverment a lead in trying to fool americans into thinking that safety can be assessed and controlled by the goverment...........

i have also found and determined by my 2 vehs that the new epa ratings are not realistic...........my wife can get 33 mpg in her rav if driven very responsibly and she does this on a daily basis..........as for myself i get very bad gas milage especialy since i drive w/ a cement block tied around my right foot, to me that is realistic driving and to others that is considered wasteful...........to each his own.........
 
Discussion starter · #35 ·
I see your point but how to you propose that buyers get an "estimate" on mileage for comparison.

While vehicles aren't tested on the road and instead in lab, they're still tested in the same environment and under the same conditions. Therefore the mpg comparison is based on the same external conditions. So whether they are inaccurate or not, they in theory should all be inaccurate to the same percentage. This in turn provides a basis for comparison.

You've discovered and pointed out that your wife drives very responsibly and you drive with a lead foot. This is in reality irrelevant to judging the mpg on a vehicle due to the fact that your drivings styles are not average and would impact any car the same. responsible = better mileage and lead foot = poorer mileage. Jimbow gets fantastic mileage. I couldn't get that good of mileage even if I cut hole in the floor and pulled a fred flintstone.

The sticker clearly indicates in the lower left hand corner what drivers can expect in terms of mileage.

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Any experiment (epa or nhtsa) tries to eliminate as many factors as possible initially to form a baseline. Then other factors are added as necessary to determine what effect and to what extent they have. To test every vehicle to the extent of a perfect real life condition would not only be cost prohibitive but also impractical. The goal is a estimate basline for comparison shopping.
 
#36 ·
Jimbow said:
Those new number are even sillier than the old ones.I have never gotten worse than 25 MPG,no matter how hard i drove my 06 Rav,and consistantly get 27 to 28 MPG all round daily driving.They had better stop useing mindless Harry leadfoot as their standard of driver efficiency.
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It's much more accurate to me, as I've never gotten higher than 22.56 mpg on any tank (I track on a spreadsheet after each fill-up to look for trends/problem signs). I consistently average around 21 mpg with each fill-up, and believe it or not, my 300 hp V8 Mustang GT averages 19 (just 2 mpg less!) which is higher than the new EPA numbers!!
 
#37 ·
Janos said:
The sticker clearly indicates in the lower left hand corner what drivers can expect in terms of mileage.

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its called fine print..........so the agency cant get in any heat over there perception of average milage............the realistic, correct, and responsiible method is to tell peole about the milage, is to enlarge and make bold the fine print and then advs of the average...........
 
Discussion starter · #38 ·
I guess I don't have that much difficulty in using their "estimates" as a comparison tool.

RAVXD you're one tough cookie.... :D Keep rallying against the "establishment". :D :thumbs_up:
 
#39 ·
Silencer06 said:
Jimbow said:
Those new number are even sillier than the old ones.I have never gotten worse than 25 MPG,no matter how hard i drove my 06 Rav,and consistantly get 27 to 28 MPG all round daily driving.They had better stop useing mindless Harry leadfoot as their standard of driver efficiency.
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It's much more accurate to me, as I've never gotten higher than 22.56 mpg on any tank (I track on a spreadsheet after each fill-up to look for trends/problem signs). I consistently average around 21 mpg with each fill-up, and believe it or not, my 300 hp V8 Mustang GT averages 19 (just 2 mpg less!) which is higher than the new EPA numbers!!
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More accurate for me as well (I4/2 wheel drive numbers). I have a light foot, and pretty much drive all city (stop and go) and get about 21-22 MPG consistently.
 
#40 ·
Real world MPG for my 06 4 cyl LTD 4WD

For whatever reason, i've noticed an improvement in mileage after dealership performed the "tweek" based on TSB on the Throttle Lag issue with the 06 Rav4. w/4 cyl.
Anyway, local driving (mines mostly speeds of 35-45 with numerous lights here/there/everywhere) i'm getting 24 consistently now. that was lower last year during warmer weather. (about 22-23).
As for highway. Filled up last Thursday, local driving that day and am Friday, but then drove south in state and back. Filled up and it calc'd out at just over 30mpg. Again, approx. 20 miles local stuff and rest mostly highway with some stop/go at my destination. Highway with air on and 70-75 mph mostly.
So i can't complain. Prior to getting this "tweek" done, best highway prior was 27.5 mpg.
I have no idea why this affected mileage. I do know that car runs smooth as silk now upon starting each am, and immediatly driving off to work etc. And i'm not babying the car by any means.
 
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