i cant help but say....WOW
I can actually partially feel your pain since we Canadians pay ~10,000USD more for our rav4 than US customers. I was recently amazed to learn that an Automatic transmission Camry costs 53,000USD in India. I see on toyota India that they have only the following models: Camry, Corolla, Innova, Prado. Very little choice but all of these cars come with luxury options..corolla with leather, camry with hid, etc
Prices are so different in different parts around the world.

Is it possible to import cars though?? Or will they make you pay so much customs untill the price matches the Brazilian price?

 

Thats way too much for a RAV4; but hey you do have good taste.

 

welcome to the forums!!!

well...WOW, that's one expensive rav you got there!!! However, and if you take good care of it, it will also treat you well. Toyota's are reliable, reliable, and reliable.

I think it's the same car, not sure about the engine since i think that car engines are somewhat different in different countries. For example, Toyota's in Greece are well above average in price than other cars, and also have different engines.

greg

 

Hi there. Yes, it is quite painful. I also paid R$ 67,000 (USD 41k) on a Corolla wagon last year that- surprisingly enough, is made in Brazil. Go figure. Also, no point on importing. All motorized vehicles- new or used are subject to heavy taxes. Add freight and the headaches, you better off buying it here.

I had to buy a 4x4 and my options were the Tucson (R$ 110k), the CR-V (R$ 119) and the Santa Fe (R$ 145k). I think the RAV-4 is the best choice. But for what I shelled out for this car, it should have come with more features and a personal driver.

Miner.

 

Brazilian ..... wax......Zaino. There is a joke here somewhere... :lol: :lol:


Welcome to the forums.

 

i cant help but say....WOW
I can actually partially feel your pain since we Canadians pay ~10,000USD more for our rav4 than US customers.

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i cant help but say....WOW
I can actually partially feel your pain since we Canadians pay ~10,000USD more for our rav4 than US customers.

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lol at least I did for mine back then ...Now the prices have come closer but the Rav4 is still cheaper down there. But as with miner, I too have no regrets buying such a great vehicle

 

But as with miner, I too have no regrets buying such a great vehicle

I don't regret the purchase but am very shocked for what is being charged here for automobiles. Mostly is due to government tax but the exchange rate didn't help either. Four years ago U$ 1 = R$ 3 and today U$ 1 = R$ 1.6 Had I bought my RAV then, it would have cost me U$ 38k...

 

Brazilian ..... wax......Zaino. There is a joke here somewhere...

i already made that joke but it got deleted

 

Hello, my first post.

First off, Welcome to the Forums!

second, WOW! i'm assuming all cars in Brazil are more expensive, not just Rav4s. You definitely want to do all the maintenance and keep it in a garage 24 hours a day so the birds don't poo on it and the sun doesn't fade it. if you never drive it, it will last longer.

 

Yes, ALL cars are expensive in Brazil. To have an idea:

Import Duty: 35% (over declared value + freight + insurance)
Industrialized Product Tax: 25%
State Tax (sort of sales tax) (ICMS): 18%
Other Tax (PIS/COFINS): 11.6%

All the above are value added.

So, if I'm not mistaken, a simple calculation:

a USD 20,000 car will arrive in Brazil at appx: USD 45,000 Add other freight, licensing, margins, a car can be easily be 150% over its original value. This is an unfair protectionist policies imposed by the BR govt.

What is even more bothersome is that while in the US the gripe is about $4/gallon gas, over here we pay about U$ 5 to 6/gallon. Half of which goes to tax. Ouch!

Anyway, despite the Dollars and Sense discussions, the RAV4 is a fantastic vehicle and no doubt I'll be taking care of this as if it was a new Aston Martin.

And bird poo? You should see some of the bugs that get stuck on my grille...

 

So maybe this is just a dumb idea, but why not fly to the US, but a car and drive it back home to Brazil? Tell them you're just visiting when you cross the border, etc. I know it would be a little dangerous, and that it would probably take a month, but it could save you $20k+.*

About 15 years ago, right after graduating from college, I worked as a repossessor. Over the course of 4 years repo-ing cars we ran across 3-4 customers (out of the more than 3000 repo's we did in that time period) who actually drove the cars to Brazil and gave then to family members. The banks eventually somehow confirmed that the cars were in Brazil, but I thought they were lying, crazy, or just evading their car payments. Hearing what cars cost in Brazil this now starts to make a lot more sense... If these customers drove them there from the US like they claimed, then I wonder how many other people do it after paying the car off?


*Please note that the above idea would probably be both dishonest and unethical if acted upon. I present it as a purely hypothetical suggestion or idea.

 

Congrats!

...but just watch out that the child thieves don't steal your wiper blades (and try to sell them back to you later). A real problema in Rio.

Eric

 

you can drive to Brazil???

 

Yes, you can drive all the way here, but you would risk it? It can be quite a rough trip taking into consideration the geographical aspects (dirt roads, rivers, swamps), political (visas, conflicts, indigenous zones) etc. I've spent a lot of time in the Amazonian region and the roads basically kill one Mitsubishi L-200 and Ford Ranger per year for the company. Driving cross country in Brazil itself is a challenge.
Also, I've never done the math but add cost of trip + depreciation of the vehicle, it may come out the same as if bought here.


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First, no sympathy here, the most beautiful women in the world, you should pay 10X for a car. Second, why don't you share with our readers how much attention you get in the Amazon with a new car. I drove an eclipse there for about six months, and had women begging me for a ride, as if it were a Porsche. So yes, you pay more, but you get rock star status with a car that won't get you a second look stateside. You live in one of the most desirable places on the planet, enjoy!

 

Absolutely. You do achieve King status rather quickly here. I now live in Belo Horizonte, which is known to be the Mother Ship of beautiful women. Of course, by population Sao Paulo and Rio wins, but as a small city, you get more BSI- Beauty per Square Inch.

My RAV4 has two infant car seats in the back so I lose cool status very quickly. :lol:

 

Just posted some pictures on my album- Anyone see differences from the outside?

miner

 

Just posted some pictures on my album- Anyone see differences from the outside?

miner

right off ... the rear license plate location ...

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Just posted some pictures on my album- Anyone see differences from the outside?

Looks the same to me. As you probably know, RAV4.3 comes in two versions: Short wheelbase and Long. USA only get the Long. Yours look Long, so it should be identical. I think it would be more interesting to see pictures of the engine and drivetrain. But I think it's the same engine, only fractionally uprated thanks to more relaxed emission regulations (my 2.4 is rated 166 hp and is an ULEV for California).

Since you're in Brasil, the car MAY be capable of running on high fraction Ethanol mixes, but American 4.3s are definitely NOT capable of that (the fuel system can rust). So, make sure to clear the situation with Toyota representatives in Brazil before using Ethanol.

 

Just posted some pictures on my album- Anyone see differences from the outside?

miner

Tinted all the way around?

 

Tinted all the way around?

Except for the windshield, it's tinted all around with Insulfilm 5%.

 

Just posted some pictures on my album- Anyone see differences from the outside?

miner

Looks like you get the Projector Beam head lights, are they HID's as well. You also have the roof mounted anntena, we don't get that until '09. And it looks like you have a rear fog light where our license plate would be.

SS-

 

I didn't notice the license plate location. I actually prefer the US version. Looks cleaner.
I like the antenna location but it's a small problem down here. I've been told to watch out for it because it gets stolen easily.

The engine is listed as a 2.4 VVT-i 16 valve DOHC 170hp/6000 RPM

In regards to the fuel, Brazilian law requires that all gasoline sold in the country has a 23% minimum of anhydrated alcohol in the mix. Octane ratings for regular (common) is 87 and Premium 91

 

I didn't notice the license plate location. I actually prefer the US version. Looks cleaner.
I like the antenna location but it's a small problem down here. I've been told to watch out for it because it gets stolen easily.

The engine is listed as a 2.4 VVT-i 16 valve DOHC 170hp/6000 RPM

In regards to the fuel, Brazilian law requires that all gasoline sold in the country has a 23% minimum of anhydrated alcohol in the mix. Octane ratings for regular (common) is 87 and Premium 91

The engine spec looks exactly like the one in my Vanguard and if it is, it should be pretty new (at least that's what the sales person told me when I bought it). Supposed to get 12.6km/l, but the closer I've ever got is 10km/l with careful driving.