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Error Code p0446, p0455, p0442 and mechanics "solution"

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#1 · (Edited)
Make sure you have tightened your gas cap, and the lines are not leaking through a smoke test/(possibly smoke test | visual/odor inspection) (~100 dollars/free). However this is just to attempt to get rid of the lights, there was an easier alternative.

TL;DR: Check your states emissions testing website to make sure that you can have a certain amount of monitors to not be ready. This was hidden on a separate page under oboII. Otherwise the problem is likely be the charcoal canister ~$300. If there prior fixes did not work, then these are common error codes for the canister, I cannot guarantee this.

Story Time:
I've had these problem for a while and recently I took it to a auto body shop (w/ general repairs) and an gas station inspection station for their advice on how to fix.

I had trusted the auto body shop due to an recommendation from a good friend, but the mechanic initially recommended me to sell my car as it could cost "thousands to fix". I only went back a second time as the person who recommended me reassured me that the shop could be trusted. I returned with the knowledge that there was a waiver of 800 dollars and his quotes for parts were 4-6 times higher than oem, which he responded were only estimates and got prices closer to the correct values after checking with his supplier. I had a smoke test done and there was no leak. He called me the next day and told me I was in luck as I could replace all my major evap components for exactly the waiver fee. I quickly checked the other shop after losing all my trust in the guy and went in to pick up the car.

The second mechanic claimed that the first one was ignorant of emissions testing procedures. As I talked to him, he kept mentioning that he could assist me in passing emissions by having an emissions expert bypass the testing system for a hundred bucks or he could fix the evap problem, for a much higher price. What was his fix on the receipt? Just reset the light and drive the car/leave it overnight in order to have all the monitors except evap ready.

"Solution":
In my state, the oboII code testing allows vehicles like ours to have one evap monitor incomplete, the evap monitor is the slowest to get ready. The evap monitor will not be ready until at about 4 days. I had noticed this code condition and the operating procedure on the emissions testing website but when I asked the first guy, he seemed to dance around the question. If this is the case, make sure you take the car in after getting all the monitors except the evap to be ok for emissions testing. Even if you cannot pass, you can still get a free retest within ~(2 weeks)?

Reflection:
It was an bizarre experience as I did not want to waste my money, but I felt that I had to be on guard and do research. The mechanics could claim that the problem can not be homed in on or that they had "experts" to help them solve this problem. I really wanted to get the emissions to pass and it ended up costing almost as much as a new charcoal canister. 250 dollars including the "diagnosis" and 30 dollars emissions testing fee. Additionally, after having these 3 error codes for the past 6 months, taking it into these mechanics had me gain the codes p2418 and p0441. Until I actually get a job, I'll probably going to be doing as much minor services as I can. The first shop actually forgot to put back on the charcoal canister shield, leaving it to hang out partially. They even denied that my car had one until I told them I had pictures.
 
#2 ·
Well...this is how it works (appologize for my english. It's not my first language)

Fuel cap, fuel tank, charcoal canister, vapor lines up to the control solenoid (in the engine bay) are components of the evaporative system. Fuel tank has a pressure sensor. The engine computer open and close the 'purge solenoid' constantly so the engine can burn fuel fumes. But it is controlled by the computer with the tank pressure sensor reading. The engine computer perform tests to ensure there are no leaks of those fumes out of the system. So, it could be anything (gas cap, gas tank seal, a hose, or maybe the solenoid could have an internal problem, not sealing properly, then vapor pressure on the tank drops. If it does not reach the test criteria, then it set a trouble code. There's something not sealing properly, but it could be anything. Also, the leak not nesessarily lets the fuel fumes out of the system. It could be a valve not sealing properly and letting the fumes get to the engine with the computer requesting it to be closed.
 
#3 ·
What really disappointed me was the service I received at both of the shops. Not being able to find the exact solution was kinda reasonable, there was a lot of problems with the first guy but it was just him being extremely vague.

I was initially grateful to the second guy but I became really unhappy when I realized that he knew emissions testing policy/procedure but the way he described it made it seem that only his "friend" knew how to do this. ex: ~drive the car with the testing unit at exactly the right speed to confuse the unit. It just seemed wrong to profit of that knowledge; surely this specific policy was put in place to help consumers.
 
#4 ·
My three lights VSC and Check Engine Have been on 2 months

If you do an online search, it would seem that many repair shops are hesistant to deal with these issues as they relate to Toyotas.

My experience:

Shop 1 - "gas cap needed to be tightened; we tightened it and reset the lights you are good to go"

I get gas and the light comes back on

Shop 1 again - small leak and O2 Sensor; will order the parts and you can bring the car back. I decided to go to another shop after seeing online that fixing the sensor often doesn't fix the problem. I also went to another shop because they told me to tighten the gas cap and that would resolve the issue.

Shop 2 - "P0442 and P0456 - but we will not fix it because there are all types of issues that will cause the light to come back on; buy a new gas cap and then come back to us if the light comes back on"

I buy a new gas cap and get gas and the light comes back on

Call to Shop2 - "the AFR sensor system "likely" needs to be replaced and the ECM recalibrated but we don't want to do that unless we are absolutely sure"

3rd call to Shop2 - what is the cost to do this? "Well after we fix it you will need to take it to the dealership for it to be recaliberated. You are okay doing nothing at this time.

Next week, I plan to take it to a third shop for a tie breaker opinion as to what is really wrong with it.

Summary:
3 lights mean either AFR Sensor pumping circuit low with a small leak or your O2 Sensor.