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Nokian Nordman North 9 SUV vs Bridgestone Blizzak WS90

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#1 ·
See subject line. I can get these for the exact same price.

We have had Blizzaks in the past. The only thing I noticed is that they started out really good in the winter but after a few years they noticeably declined in their performance on snow, despite plenty of tread left. Some online sources have suggested that the compound changes as they wear beyond the first half of tread.

The Nordman's have a higher load rating of 106 vs 102. I don't know if it matters but I guess our XSE Prime is on the heavier side with the extra battery. Would 106 be preferrable?

Thank you!
 
#2 · (Edited)
Suggest get whichever cheaper.

If severe winters then the WS90s are better than the non studded North 9. Can get them studded if your region allows.

WS90s have a lot of reviews not so much for North 9.

The WS90s are regular winter compound after about 55%.
The first 55% of the tread depth is multicell compound while the remaining 45% is standard winter tire compound. So not all season compound after 55%.

 
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#5 ·
Agree with Toshnw. The WS90 has excellent reviews online and tire test results Although I have never tried them myself. I also like the Toyo Observe GSi-6 LS which I have since my last sets of Nokian Hakkas were Made in Russia and all 12 developed dry rot cracks after only 3,000 - 4,000 kms (1 season). They closed the factory several months after the war in Ukraine started but the most recent set I received last year were still Made in Russia. So I bought Toyos for the other two Rav4s we have in the family. And you are correct about 106 being a higher load capacity per axle than lower number. You do not want to go lower than original OEM factory tire but higher is fine. The sidewall will be stronger/stiffer and you MAY notice a very very slightly more rough ride over road imperfections.
 
#6 ·
Thanks!

What do you know, I just looked at the Nordman 7 SUVs I had bought for my daughter’s Jeep Wrangler a few weeks back, they are made in Russia! Hope they will hold up. Guess that settles it, for the same price.

I just looked at the Yokohamas that came with our brand new RAV4. The load rating is 101 so 102 should be just fine.
 
#8 ·
See subject line. I can get these for the exact same price.

We have had Blizzaks in the past. The only thing I noticed is that they started out really good in the winter but after a few years they noticeably declined in their performance on snow, despite plenty of tread left. Some online sources have suggested that the compound changes as they wear beyond the first half of tread.

The Nordman's have a higher load rating of 106 vs 102. I don't know if it matters but I guess our XSE Prime is on the heavier side with the extra battery. Would 106 be preferrable?

Thank you!
All winter tires are only good for the first half of the tread life. The Blizzaks have 2 wear bars, one to indicate end of winter service and one for ultimate service life. Not only is the sticky winter rubber compound gone at half tread life, but half the sipes. Due to the large number of sipes, only half the sipes are full depth. The large number of sipes cause the tires to squirm and cause vagueness and some wandering (very evident on grooved concrete highways). If all the sipes were full depth it would cause handling issues. On studded tires, at half tread life/depth the majority of the carbide tips of the studs have worn/broken off. At this point the aluminum stud bases do nothing for traction but rattle around. I have run close to 10 sets of blizzaks. IMO they are the gold standard for a winter tire. Blizzaks are performance tires and as such wear like performance tires.

Your XSE came with 235/55r19, 101 rated tires so a 102 should be fine. A high load rating is stiffer and generally rides rougher. Blizzak also makes a DM-V2 which is more suited for heavier vehicles. I have driven both the WS and DM tires on our RAV. THe WS has a little more ice bite to them probably because they are softer. I feel like any of the modern studless winter tires all do about the same. Test might show that one might have a few less feet in stopping distance or a few tenths faster in acceleration, but in the real world is hardly matters. For my wife's new car I bought some Micheline Ice X-SUVs this year. Haven't run them yet, but I expect them to be jsut as good as the blizzaks. They do claim full thread depth winter compound. But their winter rubber is a silica based rather than the multi cell (water absorbing/displacing 'foam') of the blizzaks which make them more durable. Not sure they will do much better at half thread; we'll see.

As far as the Nokians go. They no longer list the Nordman on their website. THe only places that carry them are some of the odd ball on-line tire vendors like Walmart and simple tire. I am guessing these are discontinued tires which might mean they are getting up there in age; if that matters to you. THe big question is, do you want studded? DO your local laws allow for them? Guess yes as your daughter runs them. Will the clickity clackity of the studs drive you mad? Though stud patterns on newer tires are much better than the old 2 outside row only placements, I don't think I will go back to studs. Ice rink test use to show studless doing better, but with the newer full face studding patterns the studs are showing a slight performance benefit on ice.
 
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All winter tires are only good for the first half of the tread life. The Blizzaks have 2 wear bars, one to indicate end of winter service and one for ultimate service life. Not only is the sticky winter rubber compound gone at half tread life, but half the sipes. Due to the large number of sipes, only half the sipes are full depth. The large number of sipes cause the tires to squirm and cause vagueness and some wandering (very evident on grooved concrete highways). If all the sipes were full depth it would cause handling issues. On studded tires, at half tread life/depth the majority of the carbide tips of the studs have worn/broken off. At this point the aluminum stud bases do nothing for traction but rattle around. I have run close to 10 sets of blizzaks. IMO they are the gold standard for a winter tire. Blizzaks are performance tires and as such wear like performance tires.

Your XSE came with 235/55r19, 101 rated tires so a 102 should be fine. A high load rating is stiffer and generally rides rougher. Blizzak also makes a DM-V2 which is more suited for heavier vehicles. I have driven both the WS and DM tires on our RAV. THe WS has a little more ice bite to them probably because they are softer. I feel like any of the modern studless winter tires all do about the same. Test might show that one might have a few less feet in stopping distance or a few tenths faster in acceleration, but in the real world is hardly matters. For my wife's new car I bought some Micheline Ice X-SUVs this year. Haven't run them yet, but I expect them to be jsut as good as the blizzaks. They do claim full thread depth winter compound. But their winter rubber is a silica based rather than the multi cell (water absorbing/displacing 'foam') of the blizzaks which make them more durable. Not sure they will do much better at half thread; we'll see.

As far as the Nokians go. They no longer list the Nordman on their website. THe only places that carry them are some of the odd ball on-line tire vendors like Walmart and simple tire. I am guessing these are discontinued tires which might mean they are getting up there in age; if that matters to you. THe big question is, do you want studded? DO your local laws allow for them? Guess yes as your daughter runs them. Will the clickity clackity of the studs drive you mad? Though stud patterns on newer tires are much better than the old 2 outside row only placements, I don't think I will go back to studs. Ice rink test use to show studless doing better, but with the newer full face studding patterns the studs are showing a slight performance benefit on ice.
Thank you for the detailed explanation on the Blizzaks. This certainly explaines our dissapointment when our half worn Blizzaks one day left us hanging at a slight uphill in the snow, whereas before they had always cut through the snow and ice with absolute confidence.
I should clarify that I ordered non-studded Nordmans for my daughter. She will be moving to Connecticut, so the main need for winter tires in my thinking comes from her visits back to Vermont which will be all interstate. I89 can be treacherous at times in the higher elevations.
 
#9 ·
Put the WS-90's on the wife's RAV4 last winter. In the past have used the DM-V2 and the WS-80's and General Altimax Arctics. WS-90's aren't as soft as the DM-V2 so they're a better tire when it's not snowing. In the rare event of pure snow, the DM-V2's are a little better. Nokians are legendary so I don't think you could go wrong with either. Here, we haven't had a bad winter in years, so we put snows on just one of our cars now and I'm not 100% sure we even need that anymore.
 
#12 ·
If you get a winter studded tire but do not stud, they will lack ice grip. Though studded tires have 'winter rubber', it is not the same compound as those found in'studless' tires. Their rubber remains flexible in freezing Temps, but do not grip ice.

I have tried this before, and it makes the grip level on par with all weather type tires, bit not a true winter tire .
 
#13 ·
If you get a winter studded tire but do not stud, they will lack ice grip. Though studded tires have 'winter rubber', it is not the same compound as those found in'studless' tires. Their rubber remains flexible in freezing Temps, but do not grip ice.

I have tried this before, and it makes the grip level on par with all weather type tires, bit not a true winter tire .
I don’t think it’s quite black and white like that. It’s not a studded tire without studs but a studdable winter tire. You can buy Hakkapeliittas with and without studs, same as the Nordmans. Certainly Hakkapeliittas are considered among the very best winter tires in either version.
 
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Update: after a very snowy winter here in Vermont where our roads were often covered in snow and ice, this 16” eBay steel rims and Blizzak combo worked out awesome.

The sensors (also eBay) calibrated themselves, somehow. I could never figure out the sub menu to start the calibration, but after a week the computer had them linked correctly.