i have a 2019 XLE and just noticed it uses 0W16 oil. I went to 3 auto parts stores and they never heard of it. Is this something new or can 0W20 be used?
0W16 oil?
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~.5% mpg improvement with each thinner grade
So, I'm not worried about oil for best fuel economy. It is sad that Toyota doesn't provide an oil for least amount of wear. And, I'm not in a cold enough climate to worry about cold harder to starts.
So, I'm not worried about oil for best fuel economy. It is sad that Toyota doesn't provide an oil for least amount of wear. And, I'm not in a cold enough climate to worry about cold harder to starts.
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Ah no. 10%. It needs to be measure on a long trip not in the city driving. On my oil I was getting 44-46 mpg or more while on the dealer's oil I barely got 38-40 mpg. Maybe less. How do you think I found out? And why do you think I made them to remove the oil and use my own?
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After I bought the car I drove 800 miles in the city and changed the oil to Mobil-1 0w-16.
I drove 280 miles non-stop one way on cruise control. And back to get a consistent results. So I am pretty sure my results are accurate. Also, drove many thousands of miles on a few long distance trips before the the first/second oil change at the dealer. Drove on the same 280 miles trip again and got 10% reduction. Made dealer to my Mobil-1 oil and a month later drove again the same 280 mile one way trip. Got back my 44mpg. You don't think people can't consistently do the same?
I drove 280 miles non-stop one way on cruise control. And back to get a consistent results. So I am pretty sure my results are accurate. Also, drove many thousands of miles on a few long distance trips before the the first/second oil change at the dealer. Drove on the same 280 miles trip again and got 10% reduction. Made dealer to my Mobil-1 oil and a month later drove again the same 280 mile one way trip. Got back my 44mpg. You don't think people can't consistently do the same?
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No, you would get the same results. By using cruise control and driving the speed limit I took variables out of equation.
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OMG, drive anyhow you want. I could care less. My driving was a test. What part of the TEST you don't understand? TE or ST? I described how I did my test and I am pretty sure the other guy did not do a controlled test. So he is full of shit.
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Apparently you don't know anything. It doesn't matter how you drive as long as you drive consistently the same distance at the same speed you might not get 44mpg but you will get 10% difference between lighter and heavier oil. That is all this conversation is about. In fact a few months ago I went to the same place at the same time of the year and got 48mpg there and 50mpg on the way back. How? I added FR3 to the oil. Actually I got more than 50 but I climbed the hill on the way to Costco so mpg dropped.
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You hardly get any regen braking if you travel on freeway at the same speed for hours.
You don't accelerate very often or not all if you are traveling at the same speed.
And you only stop at the destination.
The only coasting you do if you are driving downhill but it doesn't matter because it is the same downhill every single time.
The speed is the speed limit.
It doesn't matter how hard you accelerate to overtake other vehicles because you use cruise control. If they travel at the speed limit there is no reason to overtake them. Besides in 280 miles it makes no difference if you do it only a few times. And most of the time I was in the right lane and people were overtaking me.
So apparently you don't understand what a test is.
You don't accelerate very often or not all if you are traveling at the same speed.
And you only stop at the destination.
The only coasting you do if you are driving downhill but it doesn't matter because it is the same downhill every single time.
The speed is the speed limit.
It doesn't matter how hard you accelerate to overtake other vehicles because you use cruise control. If they travel at the speed limit there is no reason to overtake them. Besides in 280 miles it makes no difference if you do it only a few times. And most of the time I was in the right lane and people were overtaking me.
So apparently you don't understand what a test is.
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What part of the CRUISE CONTROL you don't understand? Cruise or Control. You don't coax anything!!!!! You don't even touch the gas pedal. Or brake pedal for that matter.
If you like to stop every 1.5 hours it is fine as long as you do it consistently. If you don't understand this then you don't understand what test is. Consistency is the major part of the test. Without consistency test would not be valid. By driving the same distance, at the same speed and using the Cruise Control you habits are irrelevant.
If you like to stop every 1.5 hours it is fine as long as you do it consistently. If you don't understand this then you don't understand what test is. Consistency is the major part of the test. Without consistency test would not be valid. By driving the same distance, at the same speed and using the Cruise Control you habits are irrelevant.
I remember reading about an epa test many years ago and the results were the .5% or close to it if I recall, or not much.
The idea was to have the entire population using it and saving all that fuel.
The only way to make that happen was to provide an incentive to the manufacturers and print it on the oil filler caps.
Myself am a little paranoid since my last car had stuck rings after the previous owner having dealer oil changes for 70k.
The idea was to have the entire population using it and saving all that fuel.
The only way to make that happen was to provide an incentive to the manufacturers and print it on the oil filler caps.
Myself am a little paranoid since my last car had stuck rings after the previous owner having dealer oil changes for 70k.
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0.5% of 40mpg is literally nothing. 1% is literally nothing. That is 0.4 mpg. It would fall under the margin of error. Not much fuel savings. No one in the right mind would be buying thinner oils because something like 0w-20 is not only widely available but also widely discounted. You can find 0w-20 in every store at a discount. Like Costco for example. They even have it under Kirkland brand. 0w-16 is only available at chain stores and Walmart but only a few brands and not often discounted. I have seen sales on 0w-16 twice in 2 years and not by much.
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If you turn the Cruise Control off then your margin of error will be much higher. So what is the point doing it?
Nothing is the same but if you get close, it is good enough. And that is why I do it over 280 miles and the same road. All inconsistencies are leveled out at this range.
Nothing is the same but if you get close, it is good enough. And that is why I do it over 280 miles and the same road. All inconsistencies are leveled out at this range.
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Totally Wrong!!!!
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Again, there are very little variables that are irrelevant. There are no driving styles. It is all the same style. No habits either. Car drives by itself. The only more control can be achieved if the car is on the treadmill. You just to stubborn to understand how test is run. The longer the distance the less variables are important. Cruise control takes care of most variables because it keeps the speed consistent. That is why the driver has no part in this test.
BTW, Greasy's 0.5% can't be even determined. It is only 0.2mpg. Do you really trust that? And he did not describe the test he has done. Are you that gullible? Would you like to buy a Brooklyn Bridge I want to sell?
BTW, Greasy's 0.5% can't be even determined. It is only 0.2mpg. Do you really trust that? And he did not describe the test he has done. Are you that gullible? Would you like to buy a Brooklyn Bridge I want to sell?
I can't argue the points of which engine oil are best to use, but find it strange that Toyota dealerships don't have access to 0W16 oil considering the RAV4 is the best selling vehicle in NA. They are selling you the vehicle but can't service it correctly according to manufacturers specs.
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Oh, they do in the quart size but those are for sale at the parts counter. At the shop they use is 0w-20 in the barrels and use a special gun to put it in the car. It is much faster because this gun is programmed for the quantity. The whole oil fill process sucks. They don't wait for the oil to completely drip out so it usually end up overfilled. I saw it with my own eyes and will never go back to dealer oil change, not even for a free one.
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Good for you. I have not seen these papers and most likely neither have you. The thing is I actually ran many tests while all you have is your word. BTW, EPA says that my car only gets 38mpg combined. I am getting way more than that. And many, many others are getting way more than that. As high as 65mpg.
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