i have a 2019 XLE and just noticed it uses 0W16 oil. I went to 3 auto parts stores and they never heard of it. Is this something new or can 0W20 be used?
0W16 oil?
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Oils with higher percentages of PAO base oils tend to produce more pronounced lifter noise. Many people over at BIOTG have noticed the difference in sound between running M1EP 0W-20 (70-80% PAO) and M1AFE 0W-20 (30-40% PAO). UOAs look very similar and I’m not implying there is something wrong with a higher PAO base. I just prefer the quieter, oil made by Valvoline. No need to get uppity.
Sorry but I don't buy your explanation about one oil beening quieter than the other. I am not a chemical engineer so for me to argue with you on the make-up of oil would be a lost cause. If you are happy using Valvoline all the power to you, I will have to do some research on which 0-16 oil is quieter to use in my Rav4, as that's the recommended oil to use not 0-20 oil, so I don't miss a golden word when the wife is speaking to me while driving!!!!!
Which dealer was this ? lets call out these incompetent idiots lol . I'm in Edmonton also . Recently signed papers on a 2021 Rav4 , waiting for the last shipment of 2021's to arrive from the Ontario plant , I bought through Sherwood park Toyota .Same issues with my local Toyota dealer in Edmonton, they used 0w20 instead of 0w16 as required, that being the 2021 Rav4's Trail first oil change >> I'm so mad right now, and on top of that in their paperwork my Rav4 trail is a 2021 Tacoma. And this is the dealer I've bout it from
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There is another thread on this board about dealers being out of bulk 0w-16. Possibly they have no 0w-16 to put in it. There automated system puts the visosity required directly on the work order so its likely not just an error.
I would use it to get another free change at 5000 miles just because you can.
I would use it to get another free change at 5000 miles just because you can.
I brought my 2013 from them great people to deal with, nice service dept. Never feel ripped off by them. Never brought our 2021 vehicle there, as the sales person had moved on. Current sales person I was dealing with was so full of himself I wanted to go into the corner & throw up. So I changed dealerships to purchase 2021. The sales person use to call me at least once a week to see if I ready to pull the trigger on a new purchase one pain in the ass.
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All models have oil-to-coolant heat exchanger (cooler).
Toyota engines - A25·M20 - Dynamic Force series (R4)
Review of Toyota Dynamic Force engines design and components - inline-4 (M20A, A25A)
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Maybe I'm missing or misunderstanding something in that article, but it shows a diagram that says the oil cooler is "optional." A second diagram lists #11 as an oil cooler also--I could not make out if these are two different oil cooling devices.
What’s strange about this 0w16 shortage is that you can buy the Toyota 0w16 oil on Amazon,
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Good point. I try to check out my 2020 RAV4 LE.
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The external oil cooler is only available on a couple ICE model trims: 2020 RAV4 XLE engine oil cooler
Just referencing what I read here: 0w-16 oil shortage?
Thanks for dredging up that older thread. So the oil cooler is ONLY installed on hybrid and NOT gas model RAVs--is that correct?
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According to the Toyota website, the Adventure / TRD have it (plus some other goodies) Speculation is that its to give those vehicles the enhanced towing capability, but obviously that is purely speculation. Still, there is zero difference from a towing perspective between a Adventure and Limited AWD - which has the reduced tow rating, so its either that cooler, or marketing.
I get posts deleted for thread drift so back on topic. Yesterday, I looked on the web for local stores and no one had Mobil 1 0W-16. Napa has a sales promotion (similar price to Walmart) so I assumed I could order some. Nope. However you could get curbside pickup at the store according to the website. Nope. I placed a curbside pickup order anyway wanting to lock into the price and they called me saying it would be available the next day which it was. Purchased 4 of the 5 qt. jugs. Later in the day I was able to order some form Walmart as well, should be here over the weekend. I honestly didn't think any would be available so I was hedging.
I don't know, I waited 2 weeks for a fridge, I couldn't order all Honda Parts for a CRV brake job and now I actually had to order my dog's food online and there was no 0w-16 Mobil 1 available at any retailer in the area. Hope I can stay ahead of these supply chain issues by planning ahead.
I don't know, I waited 2 weeks for a fridge, I couldn't order all Honda Parts for a CRV brake job and now I actually had to order my dog's food online and there was no 0w-16 Mobil 1 available at any retailer in the area. Hope I can stay ahead of these supply chain issues by planning ahead.
I work in medical industry, delivery times we are being given is first quarter 2022, crazy times ahead, if you see or need something today buy it if possible otherwise you might be in for a long wait. More things need to be manufactured in N America, we as consumers need to suck up that pricing otherwise one day our friends across the ocean might cut us off.
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Tolerances and clearances are two entirely different things.
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The ignore button works extremely well for filtering out nonsense for those that aren't aware of it.
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Good answer, if you don't know the difference either.
I'm a little late to the game here, but I have enjoyed reading the thread. I will be new to the 0W16 world and I'm kind of skeptical myself, but I will follow what the manual says in terms of what oil to use. Considering that this vehicle is a hybrid with an electric oil pump part of me wonders with the engine and battery working together, with the engine not running at times, i wonder if the thinner oil is need for when the engine kicks back on when needed? especially if its still cold. I also wonder if the manual tells you that you can use 0W20, but switch back to 0W16, because of the electric oil pump being designed for the 0W16. maybe prolong use of 0W20 will burn out the pump quicker.
I dont think you can use a higher viscosity than 0W20 and I dont know if id use 0W20 for a prolonged period for the same reason some people say they wouldnt use 0W16, "it will lsat you through the warranty period but not provide protection in the long run." basically saying you wont see problems until later on down the road. the same reasoning could be used for using 0W20 for a long period of time.
I guess if you wanna dump 0W20 in it right away you can, but i think toyota has a strong argument for not doing warranty work considering the manual tells you to switch back to the 16 oil. yes, it is contradictory saying you can use a higher viscosity for "higher speeds" or "differing weather conditions." it doesnt state what to use though nor does it state what "higher speeds" are. you could say highway speeds above 70? but toyota could argue that unless yours driving that 100% of the time you need to switch back to the 16 grade oil.
Either way, lets say 0W16 doesnt protect your engine that well and you need a new engine at 100k 200k miles. whats it cost to put a new engine in a rav4? 6k-8k? if that? that is still a lot cheaper than a new vehicle, especially if you have to pay interest. i guess if there was an issue or some kind of conspiracy by toyota to destroy your hinge with thinner oil to get you to buy a new vehicle i would think the best way to stick it to toyota is to not buy a new vehicle, but replace the engine, sell it, and buy something else. or keep it and drive another 100k.
use it, dont use it. it appears everyone agrees to some extent that oil technology has improved since you can do longer intervals and they protect better. i think its feasible to believe that lighter oils can benefit from the same technology and be used safely.
I dont think you can use a higher viscosity than 0W20 and I dont know if id use 0W20 for a prolonged period for the same reason some people say they wouldnt use 0W16, "it will lsat you through the warranty period but not provide protection in the long run." basically saying you wont see problems until later on down the road. the same reasoning could be used for using 0W20 for a long period of time.
I guess if you wanna dump 0W20 in it right away you can, but i think toyota has a strong argument for not doing warranty work considering the manual tells you to switch back to the 16 oil. yes, it is contradictory saying you can use a higher viscosity for "higher speeds" or "differing weather conditions." it doesnt state what to use though nor does it state what "higher speeds" are. you could say highway speeds above 70? but toyota could argue that unless yours driving that 100% of the time you need to switch back to the 16 grade oil.
Either way, lets say 0W16 doesnt protect your engine that well and you need a new engine at 100k 200k miles. whats it cost to put a new engine in a rav4? 6k-8k? if that? that is still a lot cheaper than a new vehicle, especially if you have to pay interest. i guess if there was an issue or some kind of conspiracy by toyota to destroy your hinge with thinner oil to get you to buy a new vehicle i would think the best way to stick it to toyota is to not buy a new vehicle, but replace the engine, sell it, and buy something else. or keep it and drive another 100k.
use it, dont use it. it appears everyone agrees to some extent that oil technology has improved since you can do longer intervals and they protect better. i think its feasible to believe that lighter oils can benefit from the same technology and be used safely.
Here is a technical article on the Dynamic Force engine lubrication system and the new oil pump and electric oil pressure control valve controlled by the ECU. It is written by the Toyota engineers who designed it. The system and pump were designed and tested based on the expectation that 0W-16 would be used and the importance of the using thinner oil and lower PSI oil pressure in colder running hybrids which operate intermittently.
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